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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Yeah. But there are already quite a few other types here as well, and our seminar was not at all dominated by NT types.

    Imagine you are with some people and ask them to display some . What would you say? How would you explain the task?

    " is attraction/repulsion. I'd like you all to display some of that."
    - or -
    "Please show some internal statics of fields." ???

    I can only imagine the response you would get. My point is not that these definitions are incorrect, but that they have no real-life application.
    I guess, first of all, i wouldn't be asking someone to "display some Fi".
    I'd instead ask them how they felt towards a few objects, a few concepts, a few thoughts, and/or a few scenarios.
    The ease or difficulty they might have in answering those questions would give me some information as to their ease or difficulty involving "Fi".

    If I ask someone how two objects could be connected, and I get an answer like "they're about 1 meter apart", that leads me in a different direction than an answer of "well, they're kind of close together", or "they are both symbols of X", or "this object seems to be chasing that object", or "they are both made from the same material and date back to Y time period", etc

    If I ask someone to tell me what this item is, and they give me a list of descriptions, that tells me something different than if they tell me some of the ways the item could be used, or if they give me one or more labels for it, or even if they say "who cares what it is?"

    as for real world applications, i believe that the implicit/explicit, field/object, etc do have real world applications, particularly in trying to communicate with others
    If I have a tendency to talk about the implied connections of something, and I'm talking with someone who wants to talk about the defined connections, then I could work towards talking about the connections that are actually there to be experienced rather than what may also be there. Thus making attempts to bridge a communication gap.
    Or if someone i'm in a conversation with is talking about some specific concept, and gets irritated with me when I keep bringing up how that concept is related to other concepts, knowing the object vs field thing can help me to recognize that I could help our communication by trying to focus on the specific concept itself instead of the connections. That doesnt mean that it'd be easy for me to do. But at least I'm putting in effort towards either understanding what this person is saying instead of insisting he talk about what i want to talk about....or effort towards creating mutual understanding.

    I've used my understanding of the implicit/explicit, field/object, continuous/discrete, and involvement/abstractment to create a better communication environment with my daughter, to help in explaining some school related concepts to her, and to aid me in some of my studies. So of course I see these as applicable in the real world and beyond "mere theory".
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    These are simpler (but possibly wrong) definitions :

    S : Observation. Inputting aspect of the body, or body as an input device.
    N : Imagination. Inputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an input device.
    T : Manipulation of sensible things (ST) and mental images (NT). Outputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an output device.
    F : Expression of sensible things (SF) and mental images (NF). Outputting aspect of the body, or body as an output device.

    One should learn first information elements as what the body and mind can do, before distinguishing biases of elements, i.e. absolute/relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    These are simpler (but possibly wrong) definitions :

    S : Observation. Inputting aspect of the body, or body as an input device.
    N : Imagination. Inputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an input device.
    T : Manipulation of sensible things (ST) and mental images (NT). Outputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an output device.
    F : Expression of sensible things (SF) and mental images (NF). Outputting aspect of the body, or body as an output device.

    One should learn first information elements as what the body and mind can do, before distinguishing biases of elements, i.e. absolute/relative.
    these are clearer to me

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    I just want to say that I'm not retarded... I do understand what the more complex and wordy descriptions are saying (for the most part) it's just that it takes alot of effort for me to think on those terms and I kind of have to get back into that mode of thought every time I do it. I like these simpler (and maybe less exact) explanations much much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Fi = internal statics of fields = seeing the implied point of connections. = seeing what connections might be present between things.
    That particular sentence sounds so absurd that . . . maybe it somehow manages to grasp the real essence of .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas05
    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Fi = internal statics of fields = seeing the implied point of connections. = seeing what connections might be present between things.
    That particular sentence sounds so absurd that . . . maybe it somehow manages to grasp the real essence of .
    kind of clarifies the meaning of "feeling your way around the topic", eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    These are simpler (but possibly wrong) definitions :

    S : Observation. Inputting aspect of the body, or body as an input device.
    N : Imagination. Inputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an input device.
    T : Manipulation of sensible things (ST) and mental images (NT). Outputting aspect of the mind, or mind as an output device.
    F : Expression of sensible things (SF) and mental images (NF). Outputting aspect of the body, or body as an output device.

    One should learn first information elements as what the body and mind can do, before distinguishing biases of elements, i.e. absolute/relative.
    these are clearer to me
    These definitions came from an study in which I compared the 4 jungian functions with a CPU, like that :

    S : MB input ports (those accessible with IN or port memory regions)
    F : MB output ports (those accessible with OUT or port memory regions)
    T : CPU instructions (MOV, ADD, etc.)
    N : CPU registers (AX, CX, etc.)

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