Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: What about me?

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Post What about me?

    Hey, Currently Im not sure If I should add anything more. I´ll send it out now, and look again later on. Help is appreciated.

    Hey all. I´ve been into typing stuff for a while now. I think I shared filled out questionnaires couple of times, and also had a typing session before. Guesses to questionnaires differed a lot, session result was not really satisfactory for some reason. Putting aside all the reasons I could produce to explain my interest into these typing stuff, I can say Im kinda tired of it. I decided to make this form as my last ever association with typing.

    In general, I used have the tendency to write short answers. But I will try to make it explanatory as much as possible, but I will take breaks from it as it starts to getting boring after a while. Since I´m taking my time, its more likely that I´ll add some other lines to the end of my responses.

    I´m not sure If I should share rather sensitive topics that might create vulnerability in me. I will decide how much I´m okay with it as I let myself write. When I write more than necessary, I tend to remove the post, or some part of it all together.

    1- What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?

    Currently unemployed. There is an interview I´m waiting for. I´ve applied to some kind of talent acquisition program, but It took much more time than I foresee. I´m still waiting. If it's over, I will apply for a sales engineer position.

    As a background; I´m an engineer. I'm one of those who doesn't know what they want to do. In my opinion, an occupation which you would swear at it during your late life, something that is not you´re enjoying to some point is bad. Enjoying, liking what you´re doing might drive you to improve yourself. If you are good at something, and it's not some unrealistic thing, money could follow. I think I hoped to find my thing.

    I ended up in engineering. At the end of my 2nd year, I´ve decided that I´m not really that interested in it, after 2 years worth of courses and an internship. I was thinking about medical school. I had a falling out with my family over it, and had some fights. At the end, I was at the point where I was thinking of cutting connection, but that was not something I wished for. So, I bent, well, at least I looked like I did. Plan was finishing engineering and then preparing for college exams etc. Setup did not make sense imo. If it was something like chemistry it might be acceptable since you can see a possible connection and usability in future with medicine, but I was a mechanical engineer. It didn't go well. At some point, I lost my connection with the school etc. It took a long time to end it. Even though I haven't had any diagnosis, I probably got into a major depression over time. Things played out bad. Even If there are wrong decisions, I´ve made them, even bending over to their wishes was my decision to some point. So, I have no regrets or anything. I rarely regret about the things I do. Just to make sure of that I'm reminding it, It doesn't mean I don't learn from the past. There is a cause and effect, I´m mindful of it. But the past wont haunt me. At least %99 of the time. There is a thing though.







    2- What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?

    I've tried weight lifting before, but quit after a few months since it controls your time to some degree. I was badly burnt by a woman a few years ago. At that time, someone suggested weightlifting. I gave it a shot. It clicked well that time. In addition to health benefits etc, there is also the fact that it helps subduing all inner turmoil etc. I decided to get an athlete's body, and have been weightlifting for a year now. I´m currently grinding. Since I'm unemployed, I have time. So, 5 times a week for now.

    I play video games these days. How much time I spend changes. I can't say for sure, I play nothing when playing starts to get boring. Totally subjective, but I get bored easily.

    Reading whatever I find interesting. It might be a book, typology, or anything in that nature. Stuff I read about differs. I don't really look for things to read about. I hear somewhere, or I read about it on reddit for example. Took an interest and check.
    Since I think that I have a problem in the relationships department, I consume about those. Perhaps stuff like reading people etc, I have two or three books about those I think. In general I'm selective about what I read though.

    As I mentioned, I´m waiting for an interview. It requires me to prepare for it. I was studying but lost the flame for now. I used to have an interview on October 16th, but they postponed it. With the postponement, I was a bit lost. I think having time pressure has a positive impact on my drive, at least that's what seems possible.

    3- What are your values, and why?

    I used to say something like “Treat people how you wanted to be treated”,Something like respect people so they respect you?, but I don't really know if it's something genuine on my part. I´m pretty sure I can just ignore this thing and do whatever. So, I believe there is some kind of a contract mindset at my core. I´m not saying what I do, or what I think. Don't know how to explain.

    Other than that, It would be easier if I was given the situation, and asked for my opinion.

    4- Describe your relationships with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?

    I know there are people who have multiple things they could say about their people, I´m not one of those. Like, dislike? Everyone has their own traits, it's more like leave it or take it. I don't go around telling or mentioning things I like or dislike to people. I don't even think I'm super considering it. It's more like, they are good towards me, we hit off well, they have good intentions etc? I´ve been with my close group of friends for 15 years now.
    With the family, sure, there are times they irritate me. But, I´m not the person who says or thinks like, Oh I like this about my mother, oh I dislike this about my father. I´m more like, he/she is who he is, this behavior irritates me, if she/he pushes me far, we´ll have a situation, but that's it. I don't know what more I could say about these.

    I´ll add few little additions here over time;


    5- What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?

    Until I was 18 years old, I´ve changed cities every 1 or 2 years. We were living in an occupational community lodging. I had an environment there, and I had an environment at school. I was friends with almost everyone growing up, of course there were few I was falling out with.

    I think it's more about me having exposure to people, and I make friends eventually. It's about exposure.

    I don't want to say I don't judge people etc, but if I don't see a major problem, we might see how It goes. Though, I don't really put much effort in people, since it is more likely for me to think that its pointless at some early point.

    Currently don't want to talk about romantic stuff.

    *
    I found something I might say about general human relations. I dont have the habit of keeping in contact with people in general. I´ve met lots of people, made many friends in the past but keeping in contact etc is not my thing. If we are not doing things together, if we are not having occasional face to face communication etc, I don't consider it there is someone in my life at all. I don't like texting, phone calls, etc. Face to face is the way. If I don't have it, I won't keep it in general. In addition, I guess I'm seeing people as play mates etc in general.

    *

    Reading again, It seems that I decided to put it in a very bad light. I dont know what to say, really. But at least Im kinda loyal person, I have a Bro Code.

    6- What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?

    I don't have anything I can remember right now. But I might not respond well when someone says what I should think or do, or perhaps talks badly about my behavior etc.

    7- What are your strengths? What do people like about you? What do you like about yourself?

    I´m smart.

    I can be in a well mannered, or perhaps good, relation with people from each background in general. I don't really care about what kind of wealth, status, accomplishments people have. If you are behaving well, and seemingly good intentional, I could easily find a common ground etc. I dont mean feeling close to people etc, but people tends to trust me, at least, their communication seems to show it.

    I guess they find me non-judgemental to some degree. I don't think I am non-judgemental, yet, Its for sure that I dont show it. Lets say, foreign colleagues from my previous company. Some of their backgrounds were countries or cultures I have a lower opinion about. Even if I speak about that culture badly, I act different to individual. Pragmatism comes to mind but I dont consider it as a complete pragmatist act, people might be different from their origin. Even though I tend to generalize things, It doesn't sound okay If I act like prejudice for general is also true for the person I'm engaging from get go.

    Questions like what people like about me, or what I like about myself are weird questions to me. I can say that when people talks about those stuff I very much willing to listen. But that willingness is also bothersome since I consider myself to be someone who doesn't care about the opinions of others. Which is a contradiction. But that questioning is there. I think deep down, I might be thinking that, by default, people are bothered around me, perhaps I'm boring, or perhaps unlovable to some degree. But I have no way to verify it. And I don't know If Im willing to verify it because I also know what those questions imply, which is weak imo. I dont even like it when I write those :d

    When it comes to job, I was able to resist to fucked up situation of my company. I wont get into it.
    I can ignore getting tired for a long time, resist the bad working conditions etc. But after passing a threshold, it's over. After that point, its impossible to recover, I´ve tried it.

    8- What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?

    Im kinda lazy. I know that If I have a clear goal, something I truly wish to have, I can go for anything, I will have the drive. But I dont have any. What's more, I don't doubt that I could do anything as long as I'm driven for it.

    When I catch kinda strong feelings for someone, I tend to become more driven though, it happened few times. It makes you do more, improve etc. But, I see it as a weakness. I prefer if I dont feel that kind of thing. I was careful about it for a big chunk of my life. I let it loose once. I dont know how to navigate. I dont understand where it comes from, what creates it, I dont understand it all (I dont want to end up lying, appearance of a woman is important to me.). Its something raw, other party must have the correct receiver.

    I´ve talked about human relations above.

    My family says I dont like taking care of myself, which is true. I tend to ignore it when I get sick. I dont care about what I eat in general, I'm okay as long as I'm fed. I don't like being have to think what I should eat, for example. If I have to tend by myself, I can have boiled eggs for a long time.

    9- In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?

    I dont ask help from people in general. There are departments Im lacking, I´m aware of those, relations for example. But, I dont like asking people what should I do etc. I also dont like it when people comment on those. I wouldnt push me too much. I read about stuff rather than asking. If I ever ask something, It happens after I explained all my reasonings, explain all different approaches, different angles to look at something etc.

    I mentioned stuff about eating, caring about self etc. I know that I dont care about these, but I'm not sure If I'm looking for it from people. It seems to me that I don't even care about it that much if others provide it. But I would probably die at some point.


    10- What things do you dislike doing? What things do you enjoy more than others?

    11- What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future, and why?

    I have an interview ahead of me. I will wait for it first. I will go and apply for sales engineer positions If I fail. I want to make something that could be self-sufficient and work without my full time participation. I will learn sales, for the human relations etc stuff. In the mean time, I will learn about economics, stock, maybe real estate. I need to create equity first. Here´s the neat part. Idea is there. Implementation of it has a big question mark on top of it.

    Reason why I say these are; money was something I ignored growing up, there are possible reasons for it. But I believe, I don't care about those anymore. ((I remember I was thinking that, me wanting money was something dangerous when I was in high school. It's something like seeing a potential of how bad you could be, I don't know how to put it. Perhaps I might say something like, I could do something bad without feeling bad about it? Dunno. I havent let myself that free actually, I think its related to my family. Perhaps, one of my parents is my dual or some other type that could engineer me.))

    I want freedom. Freedom comes from power, power comes from money.


    12- What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)?

    I can comment on someone else's room etc. But I dont care about mine. I don't care much about it as long as I have space. Also, I prefer it when someone is not changing the location of my belongings constantly. My room might look messy to some people, but I know what is where, at least for the most stuff.


    13- If you won the lottery and didn't have to work anymore, what would you do?

    Probably invest in real estate.

    I would go on a world tour.

    14- What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?

    I dont know for the first part of question.

    For the second part, Im annoyed by people who defends or become flag carrier of ideas, ideologies, school of thoughts etc. “.......” rights, freedom to “.....”, religion, feminism, whatever “ism” in general. They are bothersome. And, most of these people who have a tendency to attach to these tend to be idiots imho.

    15- How do you behave around strangers?

    On the reserved side of spectrum in general. But it also depends. Being open etc is not out of question I guess, depends on the mood perhaps?

    16- How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?

    Reaction to conflict might depend on the context and situation.
    Insult and attack; It's not like Im getting insulted everyday, and there are situations insult is not directed at you, I have seen it in my previous company. But if it is something personally directed at me, my response depends on the severity of it. I might react similarly, or can take way too further. Totally depends.

    As for attack, I took it as physical. I prefer if I dont get into that situation. Putting aside the possibilities such as falling and hitting your head somewhere, I would like to avoid being a murderer or something. If survival instinct kicks in, I won't show mercy.

    17-How do you dress or manage your appearance?

    I dont know much about it. Only thing I checked about these are “how to match socks”.

    Im good looking, my body was never in bad shape. Most stuff looks good on me. If colors are matching, Im good to go.

    But, even If it like above, I know that I like to look good. Thats why I ask opinion of my brother for example. Do I like good etc.

    Your clothes-wise, bad comments about my clothes might annoy. Its not like I´ll start to defend or what not. It just bothers. Some kind of clothes have connections to some kind of common sense stuff. How I am supposed to know those.

    18- Do you like kids? Why or why not?

    I can play with them for a while, but I will pass them to their mother for sure. They like me I guess.

    I think I like them, I probably see them pure.

    19- In what situations or times in your life did you feel most fulfilled, and why?

    Simple. I dont know. Really.

    20- How do you feel about attention? Do you seek it out?

    I think I did have an attention seeking phase before. I mentioned I´ve been burnt before. I´ve had an extremely weird time after that.

    21- Your friend bursts into tears. What do you do? How does it make you feel?

    I´ve been in that situation before. I don't think I feel what they feel, perhaps a bit of heavy feeling, dunno. I can easily see their perspective, why they took it hard, why it hits hard etc.

    I´m not someone you should use as a shoulder to cry over. Listening without interrupting, doable. Understanding, doable. Making suggestions, doable. Emotional mending, sorry.

    22- What was (or is) your high school experience like?

    I guess, in general, school was more of a playground for me, where friends are etc. But, without getting much attachment. Just play.

    I think I developed this attitude as a kind of defence mechanism. You get used to people, be friends with them, maybe attach, and separate for who knows how long. Then repeat the cycle. I dont know how it would be if it was in normal order.

    23- What is something you regret?

    I dont think I'm capable of it. Even if a choice is a bad one, I dont mind owning it.

    And think of it. Current me is the one who is writing these lines. If I go around feeling regret over everything I've done, that would be betrayal to my current self, since current me is the result of my past choices.

    24- Who do you admire, and why?

    Admiring, being a fan etc is not my cup of tea. I never had that tendency. I even find it weird when people talk about the people they admire etc, such as celebrities, historical figures, rich people or what ever. Other peoples achievements etc does not concern me.

    I guess I took this question correctly.

    25- What are your spiritual or religious beliefs and why do you hold them?

    My family prefers to believe, I dont. I dont understand the need to believe something bigger such as god. I dont have that need.

    I also dont like it when believers asks you to prove its non-existence etc. Fking entitled clowns.

    26- What is or was your favorite school subject and why?

    Bio, math, chem, physics related stuff in general. I was good at them.

    27- What do you do if you're not getting what you want? What approach do you use?

    This question totally depends on context. Each situation is different.

    If its work related, and I needed something from someone, I might be understanding. My deadline for the thing I asked, and workload of the said person are important.

    If its a woman, and I believe I'm not being unreasonable, I´ll cut it off after being understanding to a bearable degree but it's not much.

    If its friend, depends on the context.

    If it's something I decided as a clear goal, I will do whatever it takes I guess.

    28- How often do you get angry? What kinds of things make you angry?

    As much as everybody else I guess. Even If I get angry at something, It won't take long before I cool off. It might be something like forget eating and being disturbed by low blood sugar etc. Or perhaps someone pushing wrong buttons. I dont like it when people talks about my relation with some other people for example. I wont go yell or anything etc, but I react.

    29- What is one unusual trait or ability you possess? What makes you special?

    I learn things quite easily, and also easily apply what I learned about.
    Education was quite boring for me. I was already picking up things fast. I´ve never studied for exams until university. It was better having things being a bit harder. I only prepared for university entrance exam, since It was not about knowing but the pace of solving problems.

    At the university, I had very good gpa until I lost motivation, something like 3.8 I guess. All I did was following classes, and solving few questions before exams.
    After returning back to school, I put the effort and ended it eventually. Similar strategy.

    30- What were you like as a child? How have you changed since then?

    I guess I was way more social, way more extroverted. Playing football, basketball, or whatever thing we were interested in with people. Probably a bit hyperactive.

    My mother says I never did things as I was asked, I'm the same as before in that regard. Comes from one ear, goes out from the other.

    I guess I was way more lively compared to now. But, I think that depression stuff is related to way I am now. It changes you a bit. I wonder when will I have another transformation.

    31- What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?

    This is something I look for, and I don't have any answer yet. But, I prefer avoiding when I can. Its a rabbit hole. Its not fun down there.

    32- What is the best/worst thing that happened to you during the past week?

    These kind of things feel alien to me.


  2. #2

    Join Date
    Jun 2022
    TIM
    SLI
    Posts
    1,515
    Mentioned
    81 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    try a typing video. you can add it to the OP

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Sep 2024
    TIM
    ILE-C
    Posts
    28
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Seems like a logical and introverted type, but that leaves INTj, INTp, ISTj, ISTp (LII, ILI, SLI, LSI). idk how to tell these apart without getting into tha functions. Perhaps I see Ti in there with the unwillingness to generalize about hypothetical questions. If you read Jung's descriptions of the 8 functions you might identify yourself between ti, ni, or si dom, which would narrow it down.

  4. #4
    Intimations very refined Distance's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2023
    Location
    In the maze
    TIM
    Fe Ni ENFj
    Posts
    2,688
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Not any J type.

    EP in freedom desires.

    I see Fe in your posts on universal conduct:
    I can be in a well mannered, or perhaps good, relation with people from each background in general. I don't really care about what kind of wealth, status, accomplishments people have. If you are behaving well, and seemingly good intentional, I could easily find a common ground etc. I dont mean feeling close to people etc, but people tends to trust me, at least, their communication seems to show it.
    You are not N in your thread salvo.

    I get a SLE take.



    Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx

    Taking things at face value is good only for a spell


    Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it


    A little better makes better more>
    ♦♦







  5. #5
    A waking Dragon is a shaking world godslave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2022
    Location
    Southern France
    TIM
    694 sp/sx
    Posts
    3,228
    Mentioned
    174 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Not any J type.

    EP in freedom desires.

    I see Fe in your posts on universal conduct:
    I can be in a well mannered, or perhaps good, relation with people from each background in general. I don't really care about what kind of wealth, status, accomplishments people have.If you are behaving well, and seemingly good intentional, I could easily find a common ground etc. I dont mean feeling close to people etc, but people tends to trust me, at least, their communication seems to show it.
    You are not N in your thread salvo.

    I get a SLE take.
    I would say that the red part is all Fi Mental and accepting (meaning that in his mind, the Fi info he processes is considered a factual reality upon which the producing function of the block is relying on to respond accordingly). I also see a sign of possible 3D Fi introduced by the "If" (in blue) which is a subordinating conjunction that introduce a conditionality and that is indicative of the situational 3D parametre (need more data to confirm).

    Socionics tip : Fi is about the energetical relations between object, therefore the "relation" needs at least one other object to be established. Fe on the other hand doesn't need another object, it's about "emotions" which are internal and hidden. In the example above there are no Fe information at all.
    "I love jane" is Fi ;" I'm in love" is Fe the former is a relation between two object (the subject and Jane), the latter is an Emotion (the subject own emotional state). That's very simple and yet fundamental.

  6. #6
    Intimations very refined Distance's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2023
    Location
    In the maze
    TIM
    Fe Ni ENFj
    Posts
    2,688
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    I would say that the red part is all Fi Mental and accepting (meaning that in his mind, the Fi info he processes is considered a factual reality upon which the producing function of the block is relying on to respond accordingly). I also see a sign of possible 3D Fi introduced by the "If" (in blue) which is a subordinating conjunction that introduce a conditionality and that is indicative of the situational 3D parametre (need more data to confirm).

    Socionics tip : Fi is about the energetical relations between object, therefore the "relation" needs at least one other object to be established. Fe on the other hand doesn't need another object, it's about "emotions" which are internal and hidden. In the example above there are no Fe information at all.
    "I love jane" is Fi ;" I'm in love" is Fe the former is a relation between two object (the subject and Jane), the latter is an Emotion (the subject own emotional state). That's very simple and yet fundamental.
    Fe as suggestive function in LSI (ISTj; Maxim Gorky) and LII (INTj; Robespierre)

    Tries to find a place where he is treated well by everybody. If someone expresses negative feelings towards him (for example, in a domestic fight his wife says, “I hate you”), then he takes this literally and tries to get out of there immediately and find another place where he is treated better. Therefore, they find it extremely difficult to be in places where they do not know how others are predisposed towards them. Appearance of someone who readily welcomes them is perceived as “the appearance of Christ to the people.” Very suggestible when someone tells him about what relations exist between people
    From the Socion. ^

    IRL experience with LSI this is how this plays out.

    In his writing it looks similar, in universal fairness in treatment.

    Fe is about harmony in those relations. You treat me, i treat you in likeness.

    Whether his agenda is Fe is another story, but he looks EP in his MO, i.e.., no J.



    Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx

    Taking things at face value is good only for a spell


    Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it


    A little better makes better more>
    ♦♦







  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nifl View Post
    try a typing video. you can add it to the OP
    I'll pass but thank you for the suggestion

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I don't know how to add people in my comment, but if there is any set of questions you could suggest, I can answer.

    and thanks for answering so far

    edit:
    I decided to add some stuff at the end of main post.
    Last edited by Crimsura; Yesterday at 01:55 PM.

  9. #9
    A waking Dragon is a shaking world godslave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2022
    Location
    Southern France
    TIM
    694 sp/sx
    Posts
    3,228
    Mentioned
    174 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Fe as suggestive function in LSI (ISTj; Maxim Gorky) and LII (INTj; Robespierre)

    Tries to find a place where he is treated well by everybody. If someone expresses negative feelings towards him (for example, in a domestic fight his wife says, “I hate you”), then he takes this literally and tries to get out of there immediately and find another place where he is treated better. Therefore, they find it extremely difficult to be in places where they do not know how others are predisposed towards them. Appearance of someone who readily welcomes them is perceived as “the appearance of Christ to the people.” Very suggestible when someone tells him about what relations exist between people


    From the Socion. ^

    IRL experience with LSI this is how this plays out.
    This is from Wikisocion on Fe not from Aushra's book "The socion". That excerpt is not about Fe, most of the info in that quote are about Fi. i find it misleading to say the least. I don't know why that excerpt has it incorrect.

    That said, from the pov of the LSI, Fi is more relevant than Fe. Why ? Because even if Fi is not "valued" (btw the term "valued" is very misleading) Fi is nonetheless the main way by which it processes energy relative information (both Fi and Fe are about the macro element "Energy" (F)).

    Indeed, Fi in LSI is in the Mental ring (conscious) and 2D (it processes Fi adequately according to the social norms, no more no less) whereas Fe is Vital ring (unconscious) and 1D. Fe is therefore at greater psychological conscious distance than Fi. Furthermore I would like to add that wikisocion is mainly "western socionics" and a lot of it lacks rigor and that's also one of the reasons why it can come up with descriptions definitions that don't really resit proper scrutiny imho.

    Here is the rest of the text :

    He likes positive emotions of other people, becomes as if charged up by them. Moves in overall direction of prevailing positive tone in emotions and avoids places with negative emotional charge. He does not like intrigue and gossip, feels uneasy in such situations since here he can easily fall victim and be put at a disadvantage. Therefore, he is critical of those who are not direct in communication, who speak in private and not openly, is suspicious of this. Relations between people should always be open, honest, and kind. What is said about one's relations should coincide with one's actions, and if not - then something is wrong. Saying that you love a person it should be demonstrated in action as well, and if your words are not visible - then they are not true. Very suspicious about predisposition of others towards him, suspects some kind of conspiracy. Even if suspicions are due to small detail, he either immediately tries to break off relations with a person or to exclude his or her from his inner circle, reducing contact with them to a minimum. Because of this he can considered a defector - if he finds people who treat him better he may ally with them, finding this a substantial enough argument to change sides. May fall victim to sycophancy.

    Here is what Aushra had to say about LSI and EIE duality :

     
    LSI + EIE Duality


    The emotions of ethical extraverts are strong, colorful, impressive, expressive, and often powerful. They are not shy with their emotions and do not try to hide them. The depth and variety of their experiences are the most valuable aspects of themselves and the way in which they appreciate others. They try to improve the way they express their emotions, hence their strong affinity toward poetry and music. Ethical extraverts easily talk about not only the emotions that a loved one evokes, but also any others: fear, hatred, etc. Or about what surprises, delights, outrages, or brings out their impatience. Extraverted ethicals consciously manage, direct, and control their moods. These are things they create themselves and are not something that happens to them outside of their conscious will. Emotions are often the main content of life, being the essence of it yet also an embellishment rather than a compliment, as it is for individuals with logical types of IM. They are usually pleasant conversationalists and attentive listeners, who are able to understand, admire, approve, and sympathize with the situation of another. They therefore encourage others to be frank to help them understand their emotions. Since they are able to approve others, they can infect others with their enthusiasm and lift their spirits, inspiring them into action. The emotions of these individuals are so strongly controlled by the conscious and they are so confident in their legitimacy that they are not embarrassed nor constrained about the emotions that their love interest inspires in them. The only thing that is strange and incomprehensible to them are individuals who do not admire anyone and bring nobody delight or excitement. People often think that self-confident individuals with a high sense of self-esteem do not hide their emotions. This certainly does have something to do with their sense of self-respect, but the people who respect their emotions do not always trust the other sides of their personality, such as their mind, will, or abilities. The only thing that matters here is the sense of legitimacy’s of the individual’s emotions. And the facts are that even an ethical extravert who is not very self-confident is not ashamed of these emotions.


    A well-mannered ethical extravert sees the need to hide some negative feelings such as indignation and disgust. [<- ed.n. Fi ignoring/observing] But why not show admiration and increase another individual’s self-satisfaction?

    The ethical introvert, whom we discussed earlier, tries to understand the other and receive pleasant emotions. The ethical extravert is not so much looking to get these for themselves as much as trying to give them to others. Giving joy to others makes the ethical extravert happy themselves. The meaning of life is to provide others with positive emotions: encourage their activity, give courage, inspire, and if necessary, stop them and redirect them in another direction. (This is why an ethical extravert and introvert do not understand each other, and suspect each other to be egotistic and liars)


    The Ethical Intuitive Extravert’s [EIE] emotions are also expressed well and are clearly visible to everyone, but they are somewhat abstract. They can talk about their emotions and experiences, but their sensations remain platonic, nor do they dare to show desire even to their favorite people. Poor sex education is part of the reason for this, but for the EIE, sex education only further complicates their lives. They are benevolent to everyone who shows them good feelings, but it takes a lot of time and attention from the partner to fuse these feelings with desire. The EIE’s attraction, as it is with all intuitive types, has a sort of “absentee” character: meaning they only fully consciously desire things when they’re gone. When their love interest is right in front of them, their attraction seems ghostly and fantastical. If due to mental incompatibility, their partner does not understand them enough, [ed.n. the LSI does because it has 2D mental Fi] the EIE will avoid sexual intimacy even in marriage. They do not express their feelings to their partner with concrete care, but only dramatic stories and warnings about the dangers that are to come.

    It is interesting that the EIE has a peculiar arrogance in the way they carry themselves. From the outside, it seems like for some reason, the EIE is trying to be important or pretending to be someone. Their “arrogance” is very attractive to an Logical-Sensoric Introvert [LSI] who is inclined to practical activity and withdrawn in their relationships with others. It gives them a strange sense of confidence and security. The LSI is grateful for the EIE’s firework show of emotions, which refreshes and revitalizes the feelings that have been driven underground. And also due to the fact that the EIE readily adapts to the LSI’s practical-aesthetic demands.

    The LSI is an aesthete. They have a sharp eye for beauty,desire to see it around them, and want to evaluate and enjoy it. They are not an enjoyer of the gourmet, however, unlike an LSE, for example. They don’t care much about what they eat and drink. But the LSI wants to surprise the world with their elegance and especially the elegance of their partner (or alternatively, through beautiful objects).

    The LSI does not conceal their physical attraction, is not shy about it, and often creates the impression that they are deliberately demonstrative about it. Their firm, piercing gaze does not let a single individual of the opposite sex go unnoticed and unappreciated, which may be unpleasant to many. The LSI’s gaze is not as much of a concern to the EIE, as it reassures them that the LSI indeed values and desires them. The LSI offers their hand in marriage when they are fully confident in their physical attraction as well as the feelings that are difficult for them to define. They judge the feelings of others by the way they externally manifest their emotions. Therefore, it is relatively easy for the LSI to mistake their desire to be loved for the feelings of their partner. They sense this and therefore become distrustful. In this regard, the emphasized arrogance of the EIE is exactly what’s needed: it is unlikely they will approach each other until they realize the feelings connecting them are real.

    The LII is even more dependent on
    their partner’s love than the LSI. Not only are they unaware of feelings, but also their partner’s physical attraction. Therefore, the LII is even more cautious and afraid of seeming ridiculous. Men of this type can be misogynistic, [ed.n. Oh, oh ! I hope LII forumites will not take offence !] and women may especially show contempt towards sex if their views were fixed in their childhood. There is an element of demonstrativeness in their misogyny, which is the hidden search for permanent, unchanging human relationships. It’s not so much the statement that “All women are worthless”, but the question of“Can she love me forever?”

    Source:On The Dual Nature of Humanity


    In his writing it looks similar, in universal fairness in treatment.

    Fe is about harmony in those relations. You treat me, i treat you in likeness.
    No. In socionics that would be Fi information as I explained it in my previous post.

    Whether his agenda is Fe is another story, but he looks EP in his MO, i.e.., no J.
    [I'm not a fan of "The hidden agenda" idea. Why ? Because it has been overused and given way more weight than it really deserves by trying to render something anecdotal and akin to low level of maturity, universal and systematic. This is "abuse" comes more from the typology community then from the author of the Idea (I forgot his name !). Most people don't even understand that it is a psychical unconscious mechanism that the type carrier is in theory not even aware of. Personally I think that the idea is entertaining but it lacks rigor and therefore is ought to be taken with a grain of salt. ]

  10. #10
    Intimations very refined Distance's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2023
    Location
    In the maze
    TIM
    Fe Ni ENFj
    Posts
    2,688
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    [QUOTE=godslave;1611329]This is from Wikisocion on Fe not from Aushra's book "The socion". That excerpt is not about Fe, most of the info in that quote are about Fi. i find it misleading to say the least. I don't know why that excerpt has it incorrect.

    That said, from the pov of the LSI, Fi is more relevant than Fe. Why ? Because even if Fi is not "valued" (btw the term "valued" is very misleading) Fi is nonetheless the main way by which it processes energy relative information (both Fi and Fe are about the macro element "Energy" (F)).

    Indeed, Fi in LSI is in the Mental ring (conscious) and 2D (it processes Fi adequately according to the social norms, no more no less) whereas Fe is Vital ring (unconscious) and 1D. Fe is therefore at greater psychological conscious distance than Fi. Furthermore I would like to add that wikisocion is mainly "western socionics" and a lot of it lacks rigor and that's also one of the reasons why it can come up with descriptions definitions that don't really resit proper scrutiny imho.

    Here is the rest of the text :




    Here is what Aushra had to say about LSI and EIE duality :

     
    LSI + EIE Duality


    The emotions of ethical extraverts are strong, colorful, impressive, expressive, and often powerful. They are not shy with their emotions and do not try to hide them. The depth and variety of their experiences are the most valuable aspects of themselves and the way in which they appreciate others. They try to improve the way they express their emotions, hence their strong affinity toward poetry and music. Ethical extraverts easily talk about not only the emotions that a loved one evokes, but also any others: fear, hatred, etc. Or about what surprises, delights, outrages, or brings out their impatience. Extraverted ethicals consciously manage, direct, and control their moods. These are things they create themselves and are not something that happens to them outside of their conscious will. Emotions are often the main content of life, being the essence of it yet also an embellishment rather than a compliment, as it is for individuals with logical types of IM. They are usually pleasant conversationalists and attentive listeners, who are able to understand, admire, approve, and sympathize with the situation of another. They therefore encourage others to be frank to help them understand their emotions. Since they are able to approve others, they can infect others with their enthusiasm and lift their spirits, inspiring them into action. The emotions of these individuals are so strongly controlled by the conscious and they are so confident in their legitimacy that they are not embarrassed nor constrained about the emotions that their love interest inspires in them. The only thing that is strange and incomprehensible to them are individuals who do not admire anyone and bring nobody delight or excitement. People often think that self-confident individuals with a high sense of self-esteem do not hide their emotions. This certainly does have something to do with their sense of self-respect, but the people who respect their emotions do not always trust the other sides of their personality, such as their mind, will, or abilities. The only thing that matters here is the sense of legitimacy’s of the individual’s emotions. And the facts are that even an ethical extravert who is not very self-confident is not ashamed of these emotions.


    A well-mannered ethical extravert sees the need to hide some negative feelings such as indignation and disgust. [<- ed.n. Fi ignoring/observing] But why not show admiration and increase another individual’s self-satisfaction?

    The ethical introvert, whom we discussed earlier, tries to understand the other and receive pleasant emotions. The ethical extravert is not so much looking to get these for themselves as much as trying to give them to others. Giving joy to others makes the ethical extravert happy themselves. The meaning of life is to provide others with positive emotions: encourage their activity, give courage, inspire, and if necessary, stop them and redirect them in another direction. (This is why an ethical extravert and introvert do not understand each other, and suspect each other to be egotistic and liars)


    The Ethical Intuitive Extravert’s [EIE] emotions are also expressed well and are clearly visible to everyone, but they are somewhat abstract. They can talk about their emotions and experiences, but their sensations remain platonic, nor do they dare to show desire even to their favorite people. Poor sex education is part of the reason for this, but for the EIE, sex education only further complicates their lives. They are benevolent to everyone who shows them good feelings, but it takes a lot of time and attention from the partner to fuse these feelings with desire. The EIE’s attraction, as it is with all intuitive types, has a sort of “absentee” character: meaning they only fully consciously desire things when they’re gone. When their love interest is right in front of them, their attraction seems ghostly and fantastical. If due to mental incompatibility, their partner does not understand them enough, [ed.n. the LSI does because it has 2D mental Fi] the EIE will avoid sexual intimacy even in marriage. They do not express their feelings to their partner with concrete care, but only dramatic stories and warnings about the dangers that are to come.

    It is interesting that the EIE has a peculiar arrogance in the way they carry themselves. From the outside, it seems like for some reason, the EIE is trying to be important or pretending to be someone. Their “arrogance” is very attractive to an Logical-Sensoric Introvert [LSI] who is inclined to practical activity and withdrawn in their relationships with others. It gives them a strange sense of confidence and security. The LSI is grateful for the EIE’s firework show of emotions, which refreshes and revitalizes the feelings that have been driven underground. And also due to the fact that the EIE readily adapts to the LSI’s practical-aesthetic demands.

    The LSI is an aesthete. They have a sharp eye for beauty,desire to see it around them, and want to evaluate and enjoy it. They are not an enjoyer of the gourmet, however, unlike an LSE, for example. They don’t care much about what they eat and drink. But the LSI wants to surprise the world with their elegance and especially the elegance of their partner (or alternatively, through beautiful objects).

    The LSI does not conceal their physical attraction, is not shy about it, and often creates the impression that they are deliberately demonstrative about it. Their firm, piercing gaze does not let a single individual of the opposite sex go unnoticed and unappreciated, which may be unpleasant to many. The LSI’s gaze is not as much of a concern to the EIE, as it reassures them that the LSI indeed values and desires them. The LSI offers their hand in marriage when they are fully confident in their physical attraction as well as the feelings that are difficult for them to define. They judge the feelings of others by the way they externally manifest their emotions. Therefore, it is relatively easy for the LSI to mistake their desire to be loved for the feelings of their partner. They sense this and therefore become distrustful. In this regard, the emphasized arrogance of the EIE is exactly what’s needed: it is unlikely they will approach each other until they realize the feelings connecting them are real.

    The LII is even more dependent on
    their partner’s love than the LSI. Not only are they unaware of feelings, but also their partner’s physical attraction. Therefore, the LII is even more cautious and afraid of seeming ridiculous. Men of this type can be misogynistic, [ed.n. Oh, oh ! I hope LII forumites will not take offence !] and women may especially show contempt towards sex if their views were fixed in their childhood. There is an element of demonstrativeness in their misogyny, which is the hidden search for permanent, unchanging human relationships. It’s not so much the statement that “All women are worthless”, but the question of“Can she love me forever?”

    Source:On The Dual Nature of Humanity




    No. In socionics that would be Fi information as I explained it in my previous post.

    [I'm not a fan of "The hidden agenda" idea. Why ? Because it has been overused and given way more weight than it really deserves by trying to render something anecdotal and akin to low level of maturity, universal and systematic. This is "abuse" comes more from the typology community then from the author of the Idea (I forgot his name !). Most people don't even understand that it is a psychical unconscious mechanism that the type carrier is in theory not even aware of. Personally I think that the idea is entertaining but it lacks rigor and therefore is ought to be taken with a grain of salt. ][/QUOTE]


    You vote EXFP? You gave 3d Fi to him. Right?

    I don't see it in his salvo. He mentions relations abstractly and wanting to read up on it to gauge reading people. Strong Fi?

    Fe is what the external mood is in presenting itself, and people who fall into that in reading it and adapting into it, are valuing it.

    He gave a general inclination of that in a few parts, i quoted just one.

    Fi is knowing what other people like, Fe is knowing how they feel about everything in mood.

    Presenting in myself, Fi is knowing how i feel about relations, and who i attract in or repel; Fe in me is reading their emotions and gauging how i enter into them, and working in that pool of sentiment externally.

    Fe valuing types work around how others feel, and that is what it looks like here in the salvo.

    It could be role, but i don't see a barrage of writing in Te style like LSE. Like control outcomes in a desired take, with Fi pulling it down in the walk direction.

    OP will have to check to type himself.

    If SLE he is not Ti type.

    Like an open net and sorts the catch. Shifty. Shake, rattle and roll, and then go.

    Looks EP as mentioned.













    Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx

    Taking things at face value is good only for a spell


    Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it


    A little better makes better more>
    ♦♦







  11. #11
    Intimations very refined Distance's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2023
    Location
    In the maze
    TIM
    Fe Ni ENFj
    Posts
    2,688
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The going direction of this thread is inappropriate with a lot of jargon that only can confuse the beginner OP.



    Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx

    Taking things at face value is good only for a spell


    Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it


    A little better makes better more>
    ♦♦







  12. #12
    A waking Dragon is a shaking world godslave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2022
    Location
    Southern France
    TIM
    694 sp/sx
    Posts
    3,228
    Mentioned
    174 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post


    You vote EXFP? You gave 3d Fi to him. Right?

    I don't see it in his salvo. He mentions relations abstractly and wanting to read up on it to gauge reading people. Strong Fi?
    Well, I don't know yet. I haven't tried to type him properly. The 3D Fi was hypothetic (I said "possible"), I need more data. It might as well be 2D Fi after all.


    Fe is what the external mood is in presenting itself, and people who fall into that in reading it and adapting into it, are valuing it.

    He gave a general inclination of that in a few parts, i quoted just one.

    Fi is knowing what other people like, Fe is knowing how they feel about everything in mood.

    Presenting in myself, Fi is knowing how i feel about relations, and who i attract in or repel; Fe in me is reading their emotions and gauging how i enter into them, and working in that pool of sentiment externally.

    Fe valuing types work around how others feel, and that is what it looks like here in the salvo.

    It could be role, but i don't see a barrage of writing in Te style like LSE. Like control outcomes in a desired take, with Fi pulling it down in the walk direction.

    OP will have to check to type himself.

    If SLE he is not Ti type.

    Like an open net and sorts the catch. Shifty. Shake, rattle and roll, and then go.

    Looks EP as mentioned.


    Indeed. It is worth investigating.


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •