Can SEEs be autistic?

[Averroes]

I’ve seen some suspected Se-SEEs who seem incapable of “reading the room”, are fundamentally socially inept but loud and shameless, and display cringe, attention seeking behavior that’s bewildering to most people

a good example is this “comedian” who I suspect is SEE. These skits are obviously scripted but just the fact that his brain came up with these ideas as a middle aged man makes him off to me lol. Even on the podcast he's on, he often defaults to singing random songs that are loosely tied to the topic or picking arguments that make no sense instead of contributing anything insightful to a conversation which I can relate to sometimes as a fellow socially inept/possibly neurodivergent person if I'm on a date and run out of things to talk about

[Sol]

Yes. Human of any Jung type may get any psychiatry disorder.
Jung type is information accentuation in consciousness. It's possibly to assume only, that concrete type may arise a _chance_ for some disorders to happen and for some of its symptoms be more _expressed_.
For a diagnosis is needed to fit criterions. Preferably to have an education for this. Autism is rare disorder (was rare, at least).

> socially inept but loud and shameless, and display cringe, attention seeking behavior that’s bewildering to most people

Such problems may be from different reasons. Some may develop with long drugs usage.

SEE is among possible. F type.

[Averroes]

The weird thing is I understand him. He reminds me of myself a bit if I were on mountains of crack and PCP and just let my intrusive thoughts take over completely. My favorite pastime in middle school was annoying people

To his credit, he has enough people skills to have people who love and support him, make connections within the music industry and sell people on his low brow content. Idk if someone with aspergers/HFA could realistically do that

[theum nathair]

To his credit, he has enough people skills to have people who love and support him, make connections within the music industry and sell people on his low brow content. Idk if someone with aspergers/HFA could realistically do that

Isn't it a spectrum?
Selling content isn't particularly indicative of any deep connection-- people can enjoy what startles them. And people can love people they find unfathomable

It's a good question, though, sort of fundamental to socionics --do all people have types? The literature I've seen hasn't provided a definite answer. I'd say, if all people have got sociotypes, then any type could have any dysfunction, though some problems might be more common to certain types. Certainly something like autism reduces mimicking behaviours during childhood-- and it's only by mimicking others that humans could've developed stable cognitive types in the first place. (The notion that cognitive types arise from biology is utter nonsense.)

[timber]

At op. He probably grew up with a narcissist mother, who had low boundaries and smothered his emotions with her dramatics, thereby convincing his childhood self that his own feelings didn't count. He now shamelessly acts out in order to individuate from this ancient childhood mother and ignores his perception of the room and other people in the same way his mother, and later on his own self, ignored himself.

I've seen something like this irl.. some drugs and alcohol play a part. It's sad and the impossibility of proper self reflection and emotional regulation just seems insurmountable.

Anyway, this is what your op triggered in me. (Individuation from dead mother interject is not my idea, I came to understand it over the summer time after I was trying to piece together the pieces of events that occured irl).

[CosmicGenis]

Autism, like all mental disorders, lacks a well-defined etiology. You can't perform an autopsy on the brain of some and diagnose them as autistic like you can for Lewy-Body Dementia, Alzheimer's Disease, or seizure disorders. So the answer to this question is Not Even Wrong.

[BrainlessSquid]

It makes sense to think you can have one, but they probably wouldn't get correctly typed as SEE, so you'd think there aren't any.

[godslave]

Autism, like all mental disorders, lacks a well-defined etiology. You can't perform an autopsy on the brain of some and diagnose them as autistic like you can for Lewy-Body Dementia, Alzheimer's Disease, or seizure disorders. So the answer to this question is Not Even Wrong.

I think that people suffering from a certain degree autism (severe to moderate) can't be typed because it would not make sense since their brain and psyche development are abnormal for the lack of a better word (I don't like the terms "Neurotypical" and "Neurodivergent" because autism is most and foremost a handicap (both mental and social)). Therefore it doesn't make sense to include people suffering from a handicap in a classification system namely a typology of which the Types are supposed to be perfectly healthy and follow standard patterns in term of psycho-development.

However, the alternative would be to create a typology dedicated to autistic people. As a matter of fact the "spectrum" of autism is in itself a form of differentiation that could be classified.

No, SEE can't be autistic because SEE has 4D Fe, that IE being mostly about communication a person with 4D Fe should not have any difficulties in terms of communication and social skills. Autistic persons have great difficulties reading people facial expressions and have therefore very limited social skills. Therefore strong Fe is not compatible with Autism and any person who claim to have both High Fe and autism has at least one of those two diagnosis wrong imho.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

yes, i think they can. not sure if i can recall one right now. some autistic ppl are hypersocial. theres more introverted SEEs too.

[The Reality Denialist]

I fail to see autism as a mental state anything other than Ni base. However, there are people with various conditions that need to be boxed under some label and autism is quite handy for that. So I'm saying all types can be diagnosed as autistic but not all diagnosed are among the autism master race. Not that it matters other than pinning down the mental state.

[idol]

I fail to see autism as a mental state anything other than Ni base. However, there are people with various conditions that need to be boxed under some label and autism is quite handy for that. So I'm saying all types can be diagnosed as autistic but not all diagnosed are among the autism master race. Not that it matters other than pinning down the mental state.

Autism seems ultimate Ti state to me. Ni would be more like schizotypal.

[The Reality Denialist]

Autism seems ultimate Ti state to me. Ni would be more like schizotypal.

Oh no. People do not understand autism. Ti seems schizod. Autism seems actually quite schizotypal in many ways.
See this https://the-art-of-autism.com/an-autistic-shaman-shares-why-autistic-people-make-good-shamans/

Also insistence of sameness is Te (Te is for instance is subjugation to a formula)

[youfloweryourfeast]

My SEE friend use to scream on VCs with me and this girl. He also was also usually very high/on crack, so much of the time, I couldn't understand what he was saying. It was funny though. (not that he was on crack just that he would do a lot of random things in vc)

He doesn't have problems really though connecting with others (sometimes), but I think the fact he gets angry easily or will be very loud is something he can't really control, which could be seen as autistic.

[Braingel]

I think that people suffering from a certain degree autism (severe to moderate) can't be typed because it would not make sense since their brain and psyche development are abnormal for the lack of a better word (I don't like the terms "Neurotypical" and "Neurodivergent" because autism is most and foremost a handicap (both mental and social)). Therefore it doesn't make sense to include people suffering from a handicap in a classification system namely a typology of which the Types are supposed to be perfectly healthy and follow standard patterns in term of psycho-development.

However, the alternative would be to create a typology dedicated to autistic people. As a matter of fact the "spectrum" of autism is in itself a form of differentiation that could be classified.

No, SEE can't be autistic because SEE has 4D Fe, that IE being mostly about communication a person with 4D Fe should not have any difficulties in terms of communication and social skills. Autistic persons have great difficulties reading people facial expressions and have therefore very limited social skills. Therefore strong Fe is not compatible with Autism and any person who claim to have both High Fe and autism has at least one of those two diagnosis wrong imho.

I agree with you that an SEE can’t have full expressed autism with alexithymia and motor delays and all of this, it is a very socially competent type, that is often attracted to autism because of its dual and semi dual, so if a certain enneagram type, any absorb some traits of..

But I disagree that people with severe autism cannot be typed, I have a lot of experience with intellectual disabilities, having been put literally in programs for mentally incapacitated (Iq <70), because it is a general lump in (I now *very* recently* got placed in a specialized autism one that concerns game and design so I don’t have to be in that position anymore), and they do have personalities, they just express them in watered down ways or show up mostly as the base. The same is true with enneagram.. They don’t have all their functions intact, but they remain. Now my SEE friend I’ve posted here has a traumatic brain injury, and gathering info of her from family and looking at old videos, she’s always been SEE, but the nature of where she got injured seems to have just further impaired her Ti polr (defining things well, being structured and fitting to a rule7, and she has absolutely no concept of time or of development.

[Braingel]

In my own experience though, SEE’s are one of the types that care the absolute most about autistic people, and as I said, I believe it is primarily to do with the nature of their dual and semi dual.. Some of it may also be on democratic positivist. (Fi+ ego who wants expand relations with everyone, not discriminating by status, placement, etc).

There was an SEE that saw me get bullied and played for my dad and she said if that girl ever laid her hand on me ever again, she would beat her up. She wasn’t my friend, but she watched out for me. I dated an SEE who has always had a soft spot for autism in spite of being a provocative troll… One of my workers who is in an autism specific program is an SEE, I knew an SEE on discord who said to others it isn’t cool to make fun of autistic Ni doms, he didn’t mean just Ni doms, he just thinks most autistic people are Ni base and he is right, even from an actual Carl Jung point, autism is pretty much his Ni dom.

I have a respite worker that is county-funded that is supposed to relieve my parents of having to care for me, and the woman is as you may have guessed, an SEE. She became my friend and is always posting me on her Snapchat and we exchange snaps…

My aunt is constantly saying how amazing of a mind I have (an SEE) https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/evv0w...73gwxhnxz&dl=0

I’ll block her face, but a makeup less pic the SEE worker took of me and her and posted to her social media—https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/m9ykc...=ky8ghle7&dl=0

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

years ago i thought autism may be N exclusive phenomenon, but after learnign to VI more over the years i believe and may have seen autistic people of any type.

[Braingel]

I believe SEE’s can have autistic traits, being more mildly on the spectrum.. But motor delays, alexithymia, reduced ability to make in person friendships, no, I don’t believe that. It contradicts the idea of 4D Fe and Se in a cognitive standpoint and even a social role.

Then as I said, I believe if they are around autistic people a lot, which their Ni suggestive may pull them to be, if they’re a type like a core 3, they can easily absorb some of those traits their own self and superficially appear autistic.

Even the idea of SEE’s having something like anger management issues with unhinged, uncontrollable emotional fits and also autism fixation contradict the disorder. Se and Fe 4D can surely be turbulent emotionally, but they have control, with these things being their strongest suit. An EP type with Ni and Ti at a 1 dimensionality are of the least likely to be fixated….

Theory of mind challenges, that is, the ability to see from an outside perspective, would be very weird for a type that directly concerns with reality itself and is observation, making it a raw understanding when paired with strong Fe and Fi to inform how others are thinking and feeling.

[youfloweryourfeast]

Autism is often common in ILEs, some I've known. One is online all the time and is very nice, but often struggles with wanting to achieve things in real life.

[Braingel]

I fail to see autism as a mental state anything other than Ni base. However, there are people with various conditions that need to be boxed under some label and autism is quite handy for that. So I'm saying all types can be diagnosed as autistic but not all diagnosed are among the autism master race. Not that it matters other than pinning down the mental state.

I agree that diagnosable autism without an intellectual disability is basically 95% of the time Ni base and LII.

Having autistic traits is quite different from meeting the criteria of autism spectrum disorder and what once was called Asperger’s.

The world pathologizes what is atypical, and the atypical are disabled in being able reciprocate normalcy.

[Woodland Spirit]

I'm a neurodivergent ESI, I think all types can be neurodivergent. For me it makes me look like I'm EII sometimes on the surface, or perhaps IEI. Being a woman I am high functioning and could quickly mimic and learn how the social stuff is done and I still have no problems with it. About hyperfixations it's clear I am a sensor because most of them were always quite basic, the more earthy and grounded the better. For example I was really into animals, and of course I became a horse girl in 1st grade (aka typical thing ND girls like haha). I was also into bird watching and caught insects and frogs. I did more things than I read about it, I liked to do my own pictures of animals I saw etc. and read about them later, because experiencing things was priority. My imagination kinda took a long time to develop in me. Most of my life I was concerned with here and now but now I can sorta use my mind to make predictions and stuff. The point is my hyperfixations were really concrete and grounded. Compare this to my ILI brother who's hyperfixation was space, generally the universe, science, especially chemistry. There's some difference but sometimes we laugh together how we're just different "flavors" of the same thing, we're both nerdy about things we're passionate about. I am much more resilient when it comes to overstimulating the senses. I still can get a bit dizzy when too many things are happening but I never had meltdowns, I was able to take it even it was painful sometimes. Even now I completely don't vibe with most neurodivergent communities, I don't know, they just are too childish for me ? I would never dress myself in a t-shirt that says " please be patient, I am autistic :3 " or walk to the doctor with emotional support plushie, or play like a kid with toys to stim, or flap my hands in excitement. Sure I have problems just like them, but for me since I was a kid it was always some kind of weakness or weirdness I saw in myself that I wanted to eliminate, and you really don't want to show your enemies your weakness. I want to be a strong person and a woman, the whole " I'm a baby, please be patient with me " just isn't my thing. I tried to adopt their lifestyle but I felt it was making me move backwards instead of forward. Of course it's just a part of the community, mainly on tiktok. There's other YT channels I love to watch with people that take it more seriously and want to work on themselves.

PS. I have nothing against people who express themselves in that way, I actually find them really cute, it's just not my thing personally. I would rather have a friend like this than be like this. ( and I do ! My best friend is probably ND IEE or EII )

[Braingel]

I'm a neurodivergent ESI, I think all types can be neurodivergent. For me it makes me look like I'm EII sometimes on the surface, or perhaps IEI. Being a woman I am high functioning and could quickly mimic and learn how the social stuff is done and I still have no problems with it. About hyperfixations it's clear I am a sensor because most of them were always quite basic, the more earthy and grounded the better. For example I was really into animals, and of course I became a horse girl in 1st grade (aka typical thing ND girls like haha). I was also into bird watching and caught insects and frogs. I did more things than I read about it, I liked to do my own pictures of animals I saw etc. and read about them later, because experiencing things was priority. My imagination kinda took a long time to develop in me. Most of my life I was concerned with here and now but now I can sorta use my mind to make predictions and stuff. The point is my hyperfixations were really concrete and grounded. Compare this to my ILI brother who's hyperfixation was space, generally the universe, science, especially chemistry. There's some difference but sometimes we laugh together how we're just different "flavors" of the same thing, we're both nerdy about things we're passionate about. I am much more resilient when it comes to overstimulating the senses. I still can get a bit dizzy when too many things are happening but I never had meltdowns, I was able to take it even it was painful sometimes. Even now I completely don't vibe with most neurodivergent communities, I don't know, they just are too childish for me ? I would never dress myself in a t-shirt that says " please be patient, I am autistic :3 " or walk to the doctor with emotional support plushie, or play like a kid with toys to stim, or flap my hands in excitement. Sure I have problems just like them, but for me since I was a kid it was always some kind of weakness or weirdness I saw in myself that I wanted to eliminate, and you really don't want to show your enemies your weakness. I want to be a strong person and a woman, the whole " I'm a baby, please be patient with me " just isn't my thing. I tried to adopt their lifestyle but I felt it was making me move backwards instead of forward. Of course it's just a part of the community, mainly on tiktok. There's other YT channels I love to watch with people that take it more seriously and want to work on themselves.

PS. I have nothing against people who express themselves in that way, I actually find them really cute, it's just not my thing personally. I would rather have a friend like this than be like this. ( and I do ! My best friend is probably ND IEE or EII )

I believe XSI can be on the spectrum higher than most sensors, but that it definitely isn’t typical.. As an autistic sensor, do you have a hyposensory stimulus reaction, or is it context-dependent.

[Braingel]

My theory I made a long time ago is that sensors who are autistic and attachment cores would be less likely to diagnose young, as their autism presents atypically and the attachment can mimic neurotypical peers with more ease, so it is actually more stressful if a mistake makes, given there’s less grace and conspicuous disability.

I am an autistic IEI (4 core), and I was diagnosed at only 8. I’ve been diagnosed 5 times since with autism, when it became autism spectrum rather than Asperger’s here in America when I was in middle school.. In a lot of places, autism specialist and also the regional center, CA’s state program for only the truly disabled with their developmental disability.

I have very little ability to function executively. I even am sort of a semi caretaker of my friend with a traumatic brain injury, and I’ve fucked up, I’ve burnt my hand on the stove, burnt plastic on the stove (and the stove is literally safety proof with lights to alert you it’s hot and I didn’t see them, and it is electrical).. Luckily, I have a lot of aromatherapy knowledge and my hand only had one small blister and a little red patch, it should’ve been my entire hand. I get into some social troubles still, but this feature of my asd isn’t as debilitating as my complete inability to self-monitor for prolonged time periods of my sensory environment (complete disconnect from that), and with pragmatic functioning. I have almost burnt a cabin on fire, my first time I tried live independently, I wasn’t aware there was a floor heater and I threw a blanket, it smoked and I didn’t notice and someone else caught it. I routinely get injured from my inability to self-monitor, I’ve injured my nose and it is broken from stimming, I constantly injure my hands, I have nearly blinded myself with a safety pin, not aware it was in my hand.. I like being a little messy naturally, but I have had my room up to my knees before.

My SEE friend is always able to point out things within the sensory environment I miss, so it works.. And I have to constantly watch her on Ni.. She for instance, took off when I wasn’t there, in a random man’s vehicle.. I am constantly having to guard her from a bad outcome, and I also have to suck up my Si role, it doesn’t bother me to engage the Si, but my autism makes it a bit harder to do the concrete parts of it like cooking sometimes. I’ve gotten a little better.

My SEE autism worker is constantly telling me to not hit my head and pointing out things out I miss in my surroundings.

Here is the outcome of my hand

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dyp58...=98uhgel4&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=IMG_8992.jpeg

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=IMG_8993.jpeg

This was the stove..
https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=IMG_4321.mov

I don’t have the cabin episode, which was awhile back, but that is definitely my worst episode. I also have flooded the house a lot and have gotten in huge trouble. This is one of the reasons I qualified for Regional Center, being a liability with unintentional property damage.

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=IMG_5222.png

There are more reasons for my admission, but this is probably the biggest of why I qualify as disabled for self-direction because of being autistic, their requirement being that you are impaired in 5 areas 30% or more that allow independent function, and the area of self-monitor, I am a child’s level.

I don’t qualify to live in most group homes because of not being able to live without supervision/someone with me, and I can’t drive a car.

If my friend didn’t have good Se, I wouldn’t be able to be a partial caretaker to her, as she is often preventing my own disability from screwing up her and her fathers’ house, and my Ni equally preserves her from ending in situations where she will end up kidnapped, raped or murdered. Or with risks that will result in further injury.. Simultaneously assuring her for a better future and trying make her healthier through long-term illustration. And being present for her cycle of crises, I’ve had to deal with police officers looking for her and shouting her name as her father and myself had also look, I’ve had to deal with her shoplifting and trying prevent this, her inviting random men over into the house whilst father is gone.. Trying do physical activities that can result in exacerbation of her state..

[CosmicGenis]

No.

[Distance]

Social dyslexia, or not having theory of mind innately, can be anyone's condition.

An extravert is not reserved in energy, and they share their experiences. Hence the social branding. Introversion in type also desire to share experiences, but reserved in energy.

Both types are social and it is mistaken to think E types are not or cannot be on the spectrum.

It's sharing and everyone wants to share what they have.

Just look at the forums online, with MBTI tests, and you'll find all kinds, including ENTJ.

Not everyone has sensory with ASD. In fam. boy has ToM issues, as not reading body language, and narrow interests. Nothing else, was Dx'd via school.

[Braingel]

If I am honest, autism is just a really broad spectrum.. I do believe the possessing enough of its traits and statuses to qualify for a diagnosis is 95% of the time an INXX type.. I put a 5% deviation for anomalies, I can easily see an XSI qualifying as autistic, or a type like ILE..

It is more about where a person is in this spectrum. The fundamental issue of autism is having a different neurological profile, that alters the way neurons work and heightens facets of perception, undermining specific social ones simultaneously. You’re fundamentally touching a hardware that deviates from most brain design.

That being said, I believe anyone can have facets of autism, but the actual differences in perception, I do believe these go more to 4D Ni.. Carl Jung’s Ni dom is almost parallel to what could’ve once been called Asperger’s.. Meaning some Ni doms can be misdiagnosed with it even, or the Ni doms he had observed were biased to autistic profiles…

I believe sensors show up differently in their asd.. But the actual difference in perception at its full, I cannot call it an extroverted sensor at its fullest.

For the 5% of deviance in the condition.. More needs to be understood in how it results, my best guess is that it would be more of a hypo sensitivity to sensory stimulus than hyper (being competent in sensory ImE’s, they can regulate the stimulus better). Obsessive interests would fixate more into concrete mechanisms or subjects, little intuitive occupiance, other than maybe a role intuitive function..

The DSM is surely not all there is to autism itself, but some of the primary hallmarks are featured in.. It will continue to evolve and refine as more comes about.. But the fixation overall is generally more aligned with the ignorance of Ne and maybe Ne polr…

It is quite possible, I’ve considered, that Asperger’s was just Ni lead, I can elaborate later on.. It is unlikely Carl Jung was observing sensors who he put into Ni as a conflation with Asperger’s.. But there is much to explore in.

I envision autistic sensors to be less likely to be diagnosed, or to be diagnosed later in life with higher propensity, unless there are very notable delays within development presenting young, such as in speech.

It is also very different to type by social role and cognition.. When typing in a socionics model that concerns the extroverted realm of behavior and social role, it is much less able for a type like SEE to be far into the spectrum. In a more cognitive approach, maybe more around 70% of autistic people are intuitive.


But even a feature like alexithymia in asd would not show up cognitively in a type like SEE or ESE, as it has do with refinement of microexpression and moods.. 4D Fe and Se gravitate towards internalizing this form of information. One’s personally impacts how far into the spectrum they can be and how it manifests.. Motor delays can happen maybe, as this has minuscule to do with cognition itself, making them even adapt other realms without being able to explore this output, but in terms of a social role dynamic, no socionics SEE is going to take up their time in non motor-dominated terrains..

[Braingel]

And because autism is at its root, a neurological difference concerning its function and nervous system reactions, it is at its root a condition of processing, more than of a social disorder. It is penned developmental, because it presents from birth on, and one’s neurology will of course affect how they develop..

Processing is largely how stimulus internalizes in a person, meaning it will definitely affect cognition, it is a trait compilation and property of the brain that will affect the development and progression of. Cognition is one of a few things that affect social role, emotions, the traits had within one (how they can apply), and how one forms beliefs are also intwined.. And it is very unlikely to see in that extroverted dynamic of social role and behavior, to have an autistic person be a sensor plus extroverted in addition. There are freaks of nature, but overall, it isn’t really a possibility. A cognitive extroverted sensor who is autistic will end up taking an intuitive social role. I prefer typing by cognition anyhow, but this talk has been socionics, and socionics isn’t about cognition.. Yes, informational metabolism, but that is Aushura, progressive socionics is hardly about metabolism— Gulenko, filatova, world socionics…. if is a social occupation of functioning of how entities interact with one another.

[anotherperson]

i dont really understand the point of threads like this

yes , SEEs can have autism, autism is a spectral disorder meaning that different autistic ppl will show different kinds of symptoms. therefore, autistic people tend to be diverse

the people who equate autism with Ti base / Fe polr are using an outdated framework of autism more closely related to childhood schizoid dynamics

[Braingel]

Yes. Human of any Jung type may get any psychiatry disorder.
Jung type is information accentuation in consciousness. It's possibly to assume only, that concrete type may arise a _chance_ for some disorders to happen and for some of its symptoms be more _expressed_.
For a diagnosis is needed to fit criterions. Preferably to have an education for this. Autism is rare disorder (was rare, at least).

> socially inept but loud and shameless, and display cringe, attention seeking behavior that’s bewildering to most people

Such problems may be from different reasons. Some may develop with long drugs usage.

SEE is among possible. F type.

I will correct though, that autism isn’t psychiatric; it’s Neuro-developmental. I prefer classing it as neurological, given it affects the entire construct of how one perceives the world and interacts and responds to it.. Psychiatry concerns behaviors that aren’t inborn from birth and that are often transient with episodes.. The exception being personality disorders, and whilst psychiatrists can diagnose autism and it’s in the DSM, it really isn’t a purely psychological and emotional condition. It causes physical issues too, such as motor delays and inability.

[CumInAllSiEgos]

What an autistic post.

[Rusal]

I’ve seen some suspected Se-SEEs who seem incapable of “reading the room”, are fundamentally socially inept but loud and shameless, and display cringe, attention seeking behavior that’s bewildering to most people

I've noticed that some Gamma households can be loud.

Regarding SEEs, I suspect some display other ‘peculiarities’: just as they sometimes don't seem to keep an internal check of how loud they are, they are lacking somewhat in an instinctive level to absorb new input to the point they can't see, just to name something, the landscape pass by while inside a vehicle or their ears are blocked to outside input. They are there, but not really. A sensoric type with a hijacked connection to immediate reality, if you would believe. What is still to be know is what's going on inside all the while.

[Woodland Spirit]

I believe XSI can be on the spectrum higher than most sensors, but that it definitely isn’t typical.. As an autistic sensor, do you have a hyposensory stimulus reaction, or is it context-dependent.

I feel like a mix of hyposensory and hypersensory, I am not sure if that's called that. I had strange relationship with sensory things, on one hand I was seeking experiences, on another hand I could get tired very easily if too much is happening. There's many videos of me when I'm just smiling, playing, and in most I look like I can somewhat confidently move my body. At the same time my mom had to make me sandwiches to preschool without crusts, I refused to wear clothes that in my opinion were uncomfortable or scratching me, I didn't want anything to change EVER, I needed a lot of quiet time for myself, I stimmed with either listening to music, or drawing. The part where I was obviously lacking was mostly social stuff, I wanted to talk a lot about special interests and was trying to find people who would also like it but sadly most people aren't very passionate about random thing that I decided to obsess over for the next month, or idk animals or something. What definitely proves sensor can be neurodivergent is how grounded a lot of my hobbies were, like I could obsess over random book series like harry potter, or I once was obsessing over art I decided to take actual art courses where people study to get to art school lol, or a random tv show, or other thing. It was always something concrete, I wasn't doing complicated math problems or thinking about the universe. I feel the older I am the worse it gets, I can't go close to the street anymore without earphones or earplugs, I get too overwhelmed by all the car sounds. I generally stay away from noisy environments or big cities if I can. I just absorb every sensory detail there is and it's overwhelming. Things are changing a lot, as a kid I didn't even notice the road next to me lol, or I even liked a bit noisiness.

[Braingel]

I feel like a mix of hyposensory and hypersensory, I am not sure if that's called that. I had strange relationship with sensory things, on one hand I was seeking experiences, on another hand I could get tired very easily if too much is happening. There's many videos of me when I'm just smiling, playing, and in most I look like I can somewhat confidently move my body. At the same time my mom had to make me sandwiches to preschool without crusts, I refused to wear clothes that in my opinion were uncomfortable or scratching me, I didn't want anything to change EVER, I needed a lot of quiet time for myself, I stimmed with either listening to music, or drawing. The part where I was obviously lacking was mostly social stuff, I wanted to talk a lot about special interests and was trying to find people who would also like it but sadly most people aren't very passionate about random thing that I decided to obsess over for the next month, or idk animals or something. What definitely proves sensor can be neurodivergent is how grounded a lot of my hobbies were, like I could obsess over random book series like harry potter, or I once was obsessing over art I decided to take actual art courses where people study to get to art school lol, or a random tv show, or other thing. It was always something concrete, I wasn't doing complicated math problems or thinking about the universe. I feel the older I am the worse it gets, I can't go close to the street anymore without earphones or earplugs, I get too overwhelmed by all the car sounds. I generally stay away from noisy environments or big cities if I can. I just absorb every sensory detail there is and it's overwhelming. Things are changing a lot, as a kid I didn't even notice the road next to me lol, or I even liked a bit noisiness.

hm, character obsession is more just Fi.. But the rest can be deemed sensory. I don’t believe it is an impossibility for sensors to have autism, but that it just isn’t the general pattern (I don’t believe it’s possible to be an extroverted ethical sensor in behavioral and social role+ skill socionics and have full-scope autism (autistic traits on the spectrum still can occur).. Also I would like to say that in ego-block socionics, you often obsess on lower functions, you should look into the super ego block in the mental track.. I don’t have an opinion on your type in any model, just that it doesn’t negate you as intuitive in specific schools of socionics.

[Braingel]

Autistic people are actually in classical socionics, probably far more likely to have specialized interests and obsessions on their mental super ego track or their hidden agenda Super ID.. I am absolutely obsessive with holistic health, which yeah, still is abstract, but it incorporates concrete symptoms and plants and all of this.. And I am not a sensory type in any model of socionics (let alone mbti).

I am—

An mbti INFP (FiNe) though some people would try and swear up and down on the forum I’m an infj, which I can see where they come from, but I have Si in my stack..

A classical socionics eii

A modern IEI (most systems of socionics)

A model G IEI who has type shifted into a negativistic victim type (Ni- ego). This is a very unnatural and neurotic shift for an iei, which.. My Ni- ego behavior is very neurotic and isn’t a natural fit. In G, a shift into any type can occur (extreme stressors). But only three are natural and not neurotic; the other one of your temperament direction in cognitive style, and then the cognitive style that has the temperament of your dual, but shared positivism or negativism.

Where you specifically are probably a guaranteed sensor is Kiersy, and potentially Big 5, or marginal there..

With what you’ve said here, you’re very likely in Carl Jung either an Ni or Si predominant.

[Woodland Spirit]

Autistic people are actually in classical socionics, probably far more likely to have specialized interests and obsessions on their mental super ego track or their hidden agenda Super ID.. I am absolutely obsessive with holistic health, which yeah, still is abstract, but it incorporates concrete symptoms and plants and all of this.. And I am not a sensory type in any model of socionics (let alone mbti).

I am—

An mbti INFP (FiNe) though some people would try and swear up and down on the forum I’m an infj, which I can see where they come from, but I have Si in my stack..

A classical socionics eii

A modern IEI (most systems of socionics)

A model G IEI who has type shifted into a negativistic victim type (Ni- ego). This is a very unnatural and neurotic shift for an iei, which.. My Ni- ego behavior is very neurotic and isn’t a natural fit. In G, a shift into any type can occur (extreme stressors). But only three are natural and not neurotic; the other one of your temperament direction in cognitive style, and then the cognitive style that has the temperament of your dual, but shared positivism or negativism.

Where you specifically are probably a guaranteed sensor is Kiersy, and potentially Big 5, or marginal there..

With what you’ve said here, you’re very likely in Carl Jung either an Ni or Si predominant.

This is precisely why I never asked anyone to type me and just spend long time thinking and researching this. People see the surface and not the depth. I am Fi dom AF, like the biggest introverted feeler in the world and it always was clear to me I am and I always was, and always will be. Most people looking at the surface would probably give me Si or Ni which is innacurate but I definitely could look like this on the surface. Especially when overstimulation hits me sometimes, or I get too into my special interests. Took me some time to realize that because it took me long time to accept I am neurodivergent. Once I did and worked a bit on my self esteem, I was able to detach who I really am from things my neurodivergence caused and that aren't my actual personality traits. Because it doesn't make sense, especially if someone is ,,high functioning" ND. Because you see it's kinda like looking at someone on a wheelchair and saying " oh that's definitely an intuitive, they don't seem to want to experience the world and want to just sit all day " you get the point, it's stupid because person on a wheelchair CAN'T experience the world in the same way an able bodied person can, they probably want to, but can't. Who knows, maybe they are Se dom ? But they won't exactly show that much stereotypical traits because they can't move their body. They probably do things in their own way, different from the rest, but still they can be one of 16 types. I felt exactly the same way before accepting myself, now I simply know that there's no other type than ESI that I would relate so much to, I am just not stereotypical example of one. ( and I take pride in it haha ).

[Braingel]

This is precisely why I never asked anyone to type me and just spend long time thinking and researching this. People see the surface and not the depth. I am Fi dom AF, like the biggest introverted feeler in the world and it always was clear to me I am and I always was, and always will be. Most people looking at the surface would probably give me Si or Ni which is innacurate but I definitely could look like this on the surface. Especially when overstimulation hits me sometimes, or I get too into my special interests. Took me some time to realize that because it took me long time to accept I am neurodivergent. Once I did and worked a bit on my self esteem, I was able to detach who I really am from things my neurodivergence caused and that aren't my actual personality traits. Because it doesn't make sense, especially if someone is ,,high functioning" ND. Because you see it's kinda like looking at someone on a wheelchair and saying " oh that's definitely an intuitive, they don't seem to want to experience the world and want to just sit all day " you get the point, it's stupid because person on a wheelchair CAN'T experience the world in the same way an able bodied person can, they probably want to, but can't. Who knows, maybe they are Se dom ? But they won't exactly show that much stereotypical traits because they can't move their body. They probably do things in their own way, different from the rest, but still they can be one of 16 types. I felt exactly the same way before accepting myself, now I simply know that there's no other type than ESI that I would relate so much to, I am just not stereotypical example of one. ( and I take pride in it haha ).

I don’t really like typing by the surface, but that’s how a lot of typologies are set up.. I actually have a 5 phase understanding of typology with varied centers (that I came up with), it’s just that Carl Jung’s typology is largely archetypal, which fixes a person into a set of behaviors, rather than their underlying dynamics.. I don’t have an opinion on your cognitive type (Carl Jung is not cognitive at all, he Fe suck too much and based on behavioral stereotypes and caricatures, though he did account for the dynamic portion of health with it to an extent, he still primarily made fixed, concrete archetypes), I don’t know you, I’m just saying that in Aushura, it works a lot differently in terms of what interests a person is more likely have.

The reason why I specifically said Ni or Si dom in Carl Jung is because of the perception focus, you can say it’s autism of course too, but Jung would’ve pathologized it as a Pi thing. I am not saying his approach is right, it’s just how his system specifically worked.. I am a Ti mobilizing (plus autistic), so I can obsess a bit on typing with the right rules of the system, even if I don’t agree with the system, I still want the accuracy within that own school of thought.

This is an intro to my 5-phase center typology of its own organ system, but I have added since and some things I’ve not here posted at all; https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...hin-the-psyche<— (this is why many people would try type me as an INFJ, as I have my own subjective logic that is fundamentally rooted in a big picture grasp of dynamics interplaying one another and a singular vision and envisioning of an intangible object, not in observable reality, but alas, my self-type in cognition is INFP with strong Ni and Ti).

The surface of personality is the extroversive, behavioral and social occupational part of personality. It doesn’t necessarily indicate cognition or inward processing of information of stimulus from mentalization..

I am the complete opposite of looking at the surface, I look at the sum. It’s just that most the typologies that exist avert on the surface— Kiersy, western socionics, and even to some extent, Jung himself with exception of his compensatory dynamics..

And with how surface/extroverted/behavioral and social occupational systems work… They are fundamentally trying to assess what is interacting outwardly with one’s own behavioral outputs, and the social time and space given. You’re right it’s superficial, but it is one aspect of personality (at least in my own understanding), and the part of the personality that is the most focused on to type.. I obviously don’t focus on it much, if you actually read my own propositions of personality being its own organ system.

[Braingel]

If it’s confusing: I am not a Pan Jungian; I believe there are 5 primary parts that serve an entire sum of a personality, to one’s psyche, and I believe it is dynamic in how it functions. So if you thought I’m typing you as “Ni or Si”, you’re mistaken; I just said in Carl Jung, which mostly involves the last phase of personality, it’s likely a Pi type, it doesn’t mean how he defined it was right, after all, he was in the formation of his works.

[CosmicGenis]

Redundancy speaking, no. Sincere communicators ({ESI, ESE, SEE, SEI}) are in an extinguishment intertype relationship with soulful communicators ({IEI, IEE})

What is the axiom of union?

What is the axiom of pairing?