The IMEs are important, and yeah, maybe fitting a description can help narrow things down to a few types, but they're not always clear. It's about the IMEs for me. If you work as a Beta ST through the IME, then alright. I think I match the Beta ST as my best fit, according to the functions. Just a different flavor (when you add in enneagram and what not).
In a way it is caring too much too. I think that people who want to seize power don't really care much about what the other person thinks of them. I think that they have a strategy to rule over anyone and just impliment whenever everyone is weak, or they have a moment to.
Pointing out inconsistencies isn't intellectualism, imo. It's just judging things and making sense of them through the consistency of different systems, data and general infomation. It's judgement. I do that as well all the time. I do that constantly.
Yeah, okay fair enough. To an SLE, the conflict would make sense (in the case of your family, assuming everyone is typed correctly):
ESI - Supervisor
LSE - Quasi Identity
EII - Conflictor
I get it. Having family members not in your Quadra is hard, especially if you still live with them (like I do at the moment). AFAIK, none of my family are in my Quadra and it makes things challenging.
My LIE Dad does not activate me. We don't share the same functions and we have different outlooks. It's hard to completely understand his logic sometimes, because he doesn't think the same way as I do. I think, at times he's irrational and he thinks I could be more productive (he has high standards as well, for some reason). My ESE Mom and I get on alright, but she does actually lack logic and she isn't great at Tx in general, so I help her out in those technical aspects. My little brother and I get on alright, but we don't really talk now because we're both busy. If I had to guess, he's prolly SLI.
Alright, ok. The ILE thing was a joke (mostly) that I wrote at like 10 in the morning or something, lol. I am the same way about being a (probable) Beta ST, if we go by the logic of ruling out the other types and them making sense. No other type really makes sense for me as a best fit out of those two, and I have analysed them all. I noticed a lot of your repsonse was also you defending your SLE typing for some reason.
I think also that lot of things that aren't necessarily typed related sometimes get filtered into types like being a perfectionist (which I am quite one). Some people are manic, some people have trouble focusing. Some are stressed. People need to be careful when typing people not to filter these conditions into typings, or at the very least keep them into consideration when they are typing that they might make people seem more inconsistent with what the infomation elements are.
A lot of people have assumed and suggested that I am an Se Base, and I thought that before I really started to research the theory. I could well be, but I never actually defended an SLE typing. I just put it as the most likely fit of the two from Se base. I just know that I am not an SEE based on what I know of socionics and how I process information, and that's alright. Even if I was one, it would still be okay. I don't relate to Gamma values either.
I think you're confusing "harsh internal character judgements" with me being an insult comic. Do you really think I'm judging people when I poke fun at them? Come on, Bro. And do you really think joking around and trolling with gifs is 4D Fe? Do you think I really feel those things? I just enjoy pushing people's buttons and making them laugh. I really don't hold grudges because it's stupid and a waste of time. Do you actually think that I psychologically judge the distances between people either? No, I don't care about all that. It's actually really annoying to me to constantly judge people and how close they are to me. I don't have that 4D emotional energy, and I don't scope rooms to work out who is close to me, and who isn't.
My LIE Dad (who actually uses Fi and values it) judges people a lot differently than I do. He judges them based on their competency (firstly) and their character (second). I judge people based on information, and how they understand it and if I can make sense of the information they present to me. I don't really care about people's characters, if I am honest. I don't sit and hold grudges against them for stupid reasons. I just get on with my life, and I accomplish things, and understand things. I like to organise things as well. I hate messy thought processes, systems and areas in general. I don't have any morals or ethical codes going on. I'm the solutions master and I fix broken things. I'm a very technical person. I'm just telling you this straight.
Gulenko doesn't make sense to me sometimes. He's just taken the original foundations of Model A and turned it into the flow of energy usage in Socionics (Humanitarian Socionics) and basically modified it a bit and turned into a business. And he wrote a book with the DCNH system, which Westerners decided to buy and take seriously. The fact that an SEE (TI POLR) can have elevated Fi and Ti doesn't register well. It seems like a cop-out to me. You're either an SEE (Fi creative with PoLR Ti) or an SLE (Ti creative with PoLR Fi). The PoLR function manifests in a similar way, regardless of the type.
Also, if you're so keen on Gulenko typing me, and you have a high, expert opinion of him (which is Te btw, using "expert opinion" and "official sources") why don't you pay for me to be typed? Do you really think I'm going to waste $120 on a vague report from Gulenko, when I can just use free resources and piece things together? Gulenko doesn't even get it right most of the time as well, and it's Kiana's problem if she wants to cling to the SEE typing Gulenko gave her. I think when things have "prices" attached to them, people don't want them to be wrong because it's an investment. A real life monetary investment, and people also think that when they pay for something, it's automatically better than the free version but all that crap's psychological.
And as for organising information, what the hell do you think I've been doing for the past 60+ responses? I've been formatting my posts in a cohesive, linear manner and organising the infomation by subject and sections via quotes. I've been organising my explanations. And why do you care so much about Sedecology? It's just opinions, like I said earlier. Sometimes yes, it's constructive, but if it's just a bunch of people putting a type and not really analysing things then no. It's just a veneer.
Why are you so into gatekeeping SLE? It doesn't matter how someone act, as long as you process information within the IME of said type. I don't care if I act like Kiana, or Billy or Jimmy or even Melodia. What you see on the "outside" isn't actually the full picture of how I process information. And your reasoning is vague for yourself. It looks like something you ripped of Wikisocion, and you didn't really give any thorough examples of WHY you are Se base, examples of you showing your will in the real world, showing us how you organise information etc. And the Ne Role one? Nah. Ne isn't always openness and accepting ideas. It's about potential and harvesting and expanding it as well.
True, low Ne types won't always accept this potential, and xSI are very rigid, but I don't think that just "fake openness" is really Role Ne. I think the role is more of a mask in a way. In a way, it's showing off. Overcompensating for the lack of skill in that area.
Also, Bruh I've worn a t-shirt in -10 degrees celcius. It's not a big deal. I sleep naked in freezing weather pretty much too. Adapting to your environment isn't a big deal at all. Nothing most people would boast about