Democrats: What if?

[xerx]

The real tragedy is that this mediocrity is allowed to steal the spotlight from more intelligent conservatives (including Christian conservatives).

[leckysupport]

The real tragedy is that this mediocrity is allowed to steal the spotlight from more intelligent conservatives (including Christian conservatives).

Other than the great Roger Scruton (RIP), are there any other intelligent conservatives?

[Computer Loser]

How so?

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[Computer Loser]

running around witcho fake ass lightning bolt face tattoo.

[Eliza Thomason]

Eliza's original post was the question of "What if the election really was stolen?" Personally, I think she has been the victim of a propaganda campaign by the Republican Party and its supporters, but she may disagree. To me, their election fraud claims seem ludicrous, but then, people's beliefs are shaped largely by where they get their news and by what they have to believe.

Okay, that's interesting, because I do at times wonder what average Dems are thinking. [Not that you are average, Adam!] To me, the election fraud is obvious, and I wonder how one can ignore it and be genuinely true to oneself. But on the other hands, I guess many/most Dems think, as you say, that our ideas are ludicrous. You think I have been a victim of propaganda, and I think you have. My prayer these days is for truth and justice. May we each know for certain what is right, true and just in this. May the only ones left believing to be true what is untrue be those who purposely choose to believe what is false, because they want to.

One thing that strikes me is the simple craziness of many of the Right's claims. When these claims are investigated, they are found to be without any substance. For a long time, I had a hard time understanding why a national political party would take this tack line.

The following article goes a long way towards explaining this to me: https://progresspond.com/2021/01/21/...ite-supremacy/

One thing that stood out to me in the article was the sentence, referring to the Republican Party's demographics, "They cannot win national office without endorsing fabulist conspiracies, and they cannot win national office if they do.”

I did not read the article because I am not in the mood for that storyline which is always wearingly false (as you likely think my story is) but that sentence you chose strikes me as so obviously OPPOSITE. The Dems can't get their party to win without fraud and without a huge, gigantic dose of "bearing false witness". Since that is so aberrant to God, I feel confident praying for His justice in this matter.

Which is, of course, not a good place to be. The Republican Party seems to be losing members and seems to be unable or unwilling to change their platform to be more inclusive. This is making them more desperate. Their backs are to the wall, so to speak. They have lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections, and things are just looking worse and worse for them.

To me, a true picture of desperate is Pelosi's wall around Washington. So sicko. Also I don't think we are losing our members. I think we are full of disinformation. But we sure do have RINOs.

One of the prophets that I trust (or maybe more than one) have said that after the big shake-up of the truth about elections explodes out, many Republican politicians (probably referring to the many RINOs) will have very great remorse and think it's "too late" for them, but the Lord will say to them, (I don't remember exact quote but this is close) "No, you have My Bill you can put through" (which I believe is has to do with ending government sanctioned and funded abortion, because the Lord has heard our prayers and He is not going to put up with the slaughter of innocents any longer, becasue that is one of the things that makes Him act, or intervene on earth.)

I can't picture this many changes of hearts in our government and in voters, so I think the Warning (Illumination of Conscience) - that world-changing event, this greatest act of God since the world began, that everyone in the world will experience, is the catalyst for this major soon-coming political shift, and I believe now it could come very soon, because only that can change the world in such a huge way in a short time. Because I do believe God will act, but I don't see God acting in a giant way to change just American politics, when there are also so many other governmental issues in other nations all over the world. Why would He intervene just for our government?

So I am thinking about that (The Warning) more now, rather than the Protestant prophets, who I think have only part of the whole story to tell. The Warning will not only spotlight the truth in American politics, but in every nation, and in everyone's life. (ALL at the same time).

[xerx]

Other than the great Roger Scruton (RIP), are there any other intelligent conservatives?

When all else fails, there's always Edmund Burke.


Adjacent to Peterson in terms of the topics covered?

I'm currently reading this right now. I've only just started and can't recommend it yet, but the author is able to string together an argument without resorting to word salad. I don't think that he explicitly called himself a "conservative" in the American usage of term, which is closer to liberalism, as he does criticize capitalism alongside consumer culture; but, he is a critic of the left's zealous belief in progress, of postmodernism, and of the cultural and sexual revolutions, which have eroded traditional family and married life. He touches on Freud and Marxism rather extensively. Feminists don't like him.


For specifically Canadian intellectuals and authors on the ideas of Carl Jung, one of the leading figures is Northrop Frye. But I don't recall whether or not he was a conservative (I haven't read anything by him since high school).

[xerx]

If they're treating people badly and acting like assholes - fire them. Judge people on their actions. The problem I have with it, is that unfortunately people are trying to do some kind of thought-police kind of thing and instead judging them based on association assuming that they must be bad, when all their actions don't reflect this.

It can be hard to tell the difference between an "enfant provocateur" and a genuinely hate-filled individual. I don't want to fire someone who has an edgy and somewhat nihilistic sense of humour, but who is fundamentally good-natured. I'd want to fire someone who really believes that it's OK to lynch black people. I'm there to make money, not to make my workers hate me, and not to give this guy any more attention than he deserves.

[xerx]

Catholic schools have fired teachers for attending wet T-shirt contests. Just food for thought.

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Catholic schools have fired teachers for attending wet T-shirt contests. Just food for thought.

Catholic schools aren't businesses. They're allowed to have religious discrimination as well, which businesses are not. In other words, different set of standards. A religious school is not a business and it is not a public school either, so apples and potatoes.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

It's impossible to not offend somebody. Living in a world that tries to be objectively inoffensive is probably the biggest offense to many people. As the amount of personal freedoms and expressions you have to squander and squelch in order to have your polite little utopia- how many weirdos you have to turn into scapegoats and sacrificial lambs for that perfect "good" Karen call-the-manager world that Normies want, is too much. We must fight against them, damnit.

It can be hard to tell the difference between an "enfant provocateur" and a genuinely hate-filled individual. I don't want to fire someone who has an edgy and somewhat nihilistic sense of humour, but who is fundamentally good-natured. I'd want to fire someone who really believes that it's OK to lynch black people.

Excellent point. But is it really hard or do people pretend that it's so difficult because they need to virtue signal? It would be like saying I want to see real infants harmed because in my story Esther Hicks, to show how immoral she was- took a baby and stuck her fingers in its butt and spun it around like it was a toy. Then she ate the baby lmao. It was deliberately provocative and over the top to show that she was working for the demons and 'The Ideas.' Yet in no way does it mean I want to see real children abused- yet the cancel culture people would pretend that it does to virtue signal in order to have authority over me and others. It isn't about doing the right thing- it's about power. If you wanted to do the right thing then you would save children irl quietly without virtue signaling about it and not stupidly confuse somebody's work of art with any intention of what they do or 'want to do' in reality.

Actually me having Esther Hicks do that was a cry for help for the true innocent, and I actually wanted society to help protect children much better then they really do.

As an IEI it's always been deathly obvious to me that somebody's artistic expression or even their "fantasies" have no bearing on reality- but it doesn't seem so obvious to some people. Or they are pretending otherwise for more power. Or they are really the rotten ones- covering up their own malicious intentions by looking for scapegoats.

As Amazing Athiest says, Art has type of transendence. In order to 'get on the other side' of true enlightenment- you have to go through the dark and not judge it or hypocritically pretend you are better than it. Because that's how the 'darkness' really gets at somebody. When we do shitty things in life- we don't think we're not righteous, we think we have the right.

The best art is kind of edgy and shocking to me. Those that want to police the world to live like some old people Delta fairytale seem to be the real villains as they confuse somebody's art or their thoughts. They are the one's confusing malicious intent with malicious thoughts or expressions. Even today people try to pounce on everything anybody says because it's a way for them to vye for power and to get into power positions and look good for the Reptile Demons. I would tolerate it better if it wasn't such a deliberate and obvious attempt at appealing to authority. So we live in a culture that encourages snitching on thy neighbor and seeing the worst in other people- when we should be seeing the best in others and uplifting them.

Of course you will be "investigated" for being weird- but if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. Their little investigations mean nothing because it's almost always a poor attempt at virtue signaling and playing God and they often don't find anything and they realize that it's bad to take away somebody's freedom of expression for the sake of coddling the Nagging Nazi Nannies. Those that really do those things to infants would most likely work in some creepy Te organization that pretends to protect them- or they would try to pretend they are normal as possible.

They should be cancelled themselves, but they would have to first create something truly meaningful for others rather than a generic Thomas Kincade painting that nobody can relate to. No need to cancel that crap, as it cancels itself the moment you try to sell it. Art is pain and tears and transcendence through darkness so real art is often not very nice- and often offensive sometimes deliberately offensive- in order to make this known.

"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo" - I think truer words have never been spoken when dealing with the cancel culture nazis.

Now as for the workplace- I think it's important to still be professional and not really talk about this stuff at work as it can be confusing - it's often better just to keep the peace and be 'fake' then be real and risk somebody not getting it and blowing things out of proportion. So although I see right through the Te HR thing- I also understand that it's a necessary thing in society. You can try to explain yourself but people are much too sensitive and easily triggered to really get it anyway so it's better for everybody to just be fake and PC... but the problem often is that we have people confusing people's art with their true intentions. And the HR department is something that has its place but they want power everywhere- even in people's personal homes or personal art projects and that's where it becomes problematic. If Se/Ni is about power, then good Te/Fi is about keeping power in check to preserve relationships, and I don't really have any issue with that. The reason why Buffy started to suck is it ignored Te institutions too much for Joss Whedon's narcissistic Fe.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

It's a Christian University

Oh, do they condone slavery as well?

[Computer Loser]

Oh, do they condone slavery as well?

Just BDSM with ur mother. King James version

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Just BDSM with ur mother. King James version

Didn't the church change its mind on incest?

[End]

Mr. Peterson seems to me to be very theoretically smart and a complete social and real-world retard. He's like these college students who argue the relative merits of communism vs socialism while being supported by their parents.

Or you could view him as a gatekeeper for the globalist establishment that he is. Much like how Little Benji suddenly has a ton of funds and "support" for a quote unquote "conservative" alternative to Hollywood and the like. I don't like to reference pop culture from people who clearly hate me but this exchange from the second matrix movie fits so hard it friggin' hurts:



That's what "controlled opposition" is summed up in just about 4 minutes folks. Get that through your heads and act accordingly or continue to make the PTB (who hate you no matter where you stand because you're either too dumb or too smart to cleanly fit within their envisioned "utopia" of absolute control) happy and content.

If you're anything like me that ought to be the last thing you want to do. Coincidentally, it's also why the likes of me haven't started shooting people. That's what they want from me. What my enemy want from me. Carl Schmitt put it best, the most fundamentally important distinction in politics is the one between "friend" and "enemy". At its base, politics is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies. Shooting our enemies now would play right into the hands of our enemies funny enough.

This is also why I'm quite moralized. The riots continue and they ain't being staffed by "white supremacists" if ya catch my drift. Not hopelessly deluded Boomer normies and/or otherwise non r-selected dregs will not fail to see who's leaning on the scales of reality vs. those who are not.

This is all happening because, despite appearances, the "establishment" is in point of fact losing power not gaining it. If they really were as powerful as they hope/dream we'd all accept well... 75 million Americans wouldn't believe the election was rigged now would they. Also, hoisted by thine own petard if you happen to be a leftie. 4 years with the full backing of the media that Trump's a Russian agent? Yeah, spout BS, get expected to be considered BS in turn.

[Eliza Thomason]

Still expecting a big change to happen "soon". In His time, soon, God will act. Any widespread fraud will be exposed for all to see.

Like this whole thread, I am not hoping to convince anyone of any thing. By this thread I hope to encourage like-minded folk, and show not-like-minded folk another point of view that is out there. And assuming it comes to pass, as I still think it will, I expect surprised folk to say, "I never imagined this could happen, but I heard of folk believing it would." Yes, I am one who still believes. This video is out March 11, 2021:

[squark]

Or you could view him as a gatekeeper for the globalist establishment that he is.

What makes you think so?

[marooned]

aaaaah

[aixelsyd]

Why consider something that is blatanty false. Biden won. Get over it. Worry about healthcare and climate change.

[Eliza Thomason]

PS if you're a white Christian, you are NOT the most marginalized.

Just curious, where does a black Christian fit on this scale of yours?

[FreelancePoliceman]

If you won't fight for the most marginalized, YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT SO STOP PRETENDING!!!

PS if you're a white Christian, you are NOT the most marginalized.

What does "marginalized" mean? How can a white Christian not be "the most" marginalized? Like Eliza said, who's at the top of the oppression scale?

[marooned]

shame

[FreelancePoliceman]

Also effing Christians on the right rule this society yet act all butthurt and entitled... If you can't see your power just fucking DIE and stop this legacy of conquering and destroying others, stop trying to take over the US with your damn religion

How many CEOs do you think go to church? How many abortions do you think Trump has paid for?

You should be looking at class, not this culture war BS.

[marooned]

more shame

[Eliza Thomason]

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