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[CosmicGenis]

Fi abcdefghijkl Me nopqrstuvwxyz

Yes indeed. EII is very selfish, and is not at all the Humanist.

[Distance]

Yes indeed. EII is very selfish, and is not at all the Humanist.

In My Type thread, in my latest post i posted something about Fi vs Ti in a ship illustration, & i thought of a way to visualize it here.

We see everything and require a translation.

It is a very centered approach: Me.

Also, it breaks the standing line or order m n e.

That is what Fi looks like to me, literally, if you map it this way.

[CosmicGenis]

In My Type thread, in my latest post i posted something about Fi vs Ti in a ship illustration, & i thought of a way to visualize it here.

We see everything and require a translation.

It is a very centered approach: Me.

Also, it breaks the standing line or order m n e.

That is what Fi looks like to me, literally, if you map it this way.

You can map the sociotypes to the necessary components of a good story.

LII |-> The Hero
ILI |-> The Villain
ILE |-> The AntiVillain
LIE |-> The AntiHero
SEE |-> The Climax
ESE |-> The Status Quo
ESI |-> The Premise
SEI |-> The Resolution
EIE |-> The Plot
IEE |-> The Motivation
IEI |-> The Irony
EII |-> The Catharsis
LSI |-> The World
SLI |-> The Backstory
LSE |-> The Worldbuilding
SLE |-> The Characterization

Psychopath doesn't exist in Socionics because the baseline value for psychopath is meaninglessness, and it's taken for an axiom that if there existed something meaningless or merely to provide an experience in the story, then it would have been chopped off at the editing room. So if you have a published story that's distributed, then you can assume that everything in it is meaningful.

[Adam Strange]

I have been subject to long periods of depression for the past few years, and I think I just figured out why. According to Stratiyevskaya,

Going out on a long journey or venturing on a risky venture, the LIE must feel assured that his “rear flank” is covered and that he has a “warm home” to return to - a place where someone is waiting for him and where he needs to return. For LIE it is very important to realize that he is very needed and dear to somebody, that his life is very valuable and significant, that there is somebody out there who loves him, who cares and waits for him. If there is nobody like this, the risks that the LIE takes on diminish in their value - his life and his work become meaningless. In accordance with the system of values ​​of the third quadra and of his dual dyad, the LIE risks himself for the success and well-being of his “team.”

I have made a number of posts here in the past few years, complaining that my life seems meaningless. My problem is that I haven't had anyone who really needs me, on a personal level, for a very long time.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I have been subject to long periods of depression for the past few years, and I think I just figured out why. According to Stratiyevskaya,

Going out on a long journey or venturing on a risky venture, the LIE must feel assured that his “rear flank” is covered and that he has a “warm home” to return to - a place where someone is waiting for him and where he needs to return. For LIE it is very important to realize that he is very needed and dear to somebody, that his life is very valuable and significant, that there is somebody out there who loves him, who cares and waits for him. If there is nobody like this, the risks that the LIE takes on diminish in their value - his life and his work become meaningless. In accordance with the system of values ​​of the third quadra and of his dual dyad, the LIE risks himself for the success and well-being of his “team.”

I have made a number of posts here in the past few years, complaining that my life seems meaningless. My problem is that I haven't had anyone who really needs me, on a personal level, for a very long time.

I think that wanting to be loved is more or less the case for everyone.

[godslave]

I have been subject to long periods of depression for the past few years, and I think I just figured out why. According to Stratiyevskaya,

Going out on a long journey or venturing on a risky venture, the LIE must feel assured that his “rear flank” is covered and that he has a “warm home” to return to - a place where someone is waiting for him and where he needs to return. For LIE it is very important to realize that he is very needed and dear to somebody, that his life is very valuable and significant, that there is somebody out there who loves him, who cares and waits for him. If there is nobody like this, the risks that the LIE takes on diminish in their value - his life and his work become meaningless. In accordance with the system of values ​​of the third quadra and of his dual dyad, the LIE risks himself for the success and well-being of his “team.”

I have made a number of posts here in the past few years, complaining that my life seems meaningless. My problem is that I haven't had anyone who really needs me, on a personal level, for a very long time.

Adam, If I may ask, did you build your type images according to Stratiyevskaya type descriptions or did you build them based on a composite of several socionicsists (?) type descriptions ? Who is your socionicsist of reference (if you have one) ?

Although I'm not a subtype guy, I like your subtyping categorisation (you explained it to me a while ago) it's very useful (ex : LIE-Te - LIE-O - LIE-Ni) in term s of fine tuning our type images calibration.


/Btw, I relate with the bold part of what Stratiyevskaya said in that quote. I think it's a kinda universal feeling pertaining to the human condition. Personally I've never felt really depressed prior to ten years ago. I've noticed that since the past ten years I haven't been in love, nor did I felt been loved by someone. To me a life without love (I mean Passion !) is very very depressing. As far as I remember, I've always had someone to love or to "conquer". The problem is that with time passing, I feel like my "lovable" capital is at its lowest level. I don't know if the place I'm in right now is a cocoon or some kind of spider pantry...

Anyways, Life is better when you're in love, the rest is litterature.

[Northstar]

My soon 9 year old daughter (SEE) is friends with another girl (maybe SEI, but certainly Fe creative). Yesterday they were supposed to go together to a third friend's birthday party, but the SEI had started crying at home that she doesn't want to go together with SEE because the latter had been bad to her at school.

The SEE was indignant and refused to admit any guilt related to it, saying "she's just bawling because she wants to prevent me from going to the party", being questioned she explained the reason for the "fight" like this.

"I had a drawing in my book and it fell out, she [the SEI] made a cute face and asked if she could have it, but I said no because I wanted to have it. Then she got all mean at me, just because I wouldn't give it to her."

It's little girl stuff, but I think it's already a sign how the SEI will use manipulative Fe to get what she wants, and SEE usually will get all the blame (because it's not that seldom she's actually the aggressor). But digging deeper it may not be as simple always.

Everyone including me thinks the SEI is so nice and well-behaved, if maybe a bit oversensitive sometimes, but very good at using sweet behavior or inconsolable crying when upset by something. My SEE daughter doesn't cry often, she seems to find it somewhat shameful and definitely manipulative. When punished or reprimanded she often talks back, escalates the conflict and just gets angrier instead of begging for mercy. She definitely gets reprimanded and punished often because she has much more of a habit of unashamedly doing whatever she wants, including taking things without permission and in general disobeying commands.

I've seen it often that Fi creatives claim Fe creatives to be manipulative for crying and being "pitiful". Similarly Fe creatives say Fi creatives are manipulative by creating and modifying relational bonds with people at their discretion and leveraging those bonds to get what they want from that person.

[Distance]

My soon 9 year old daughter (SEE) is friends with another girl (maybe SEI, but certainly Fe creative). Yesterday they were supposed to go together to a third friend's birthday party, but the SEI had started crying at home that she doesn't want to go together with SEE because the latter had been bad to her at school.

The SEE was indignant and refused to admit any guilt related to it, saying "she's just bawling because she wants to prevent me from going to the party", being questioned she explained the reason for the "fight" like this.

"I had a drawing in my book and it fell out, she [the SEI] made a cute face and asked if she could have it, but I said no because I wanted to have it. Then she got all mean at me, just because I wouldn't give it to her."

It's little girl stuff, but I think it's already a sign how the SEI will use manipulative Fe to get what she wants, and SEE usually will get all the blame (because it's not that seldom she's actually the aggressor). But digging deeper it may not be as simple always.

Everyone including me thinks the SEI is so nice and well-behaved, if maybe a bit oversensitive sometimes, but very good at using sweet behavior or inconsolable crying when upset by something. My SEE daughter doesn't cry often, she seems to find it somewhat shameful and definitely manipulative. When punished or reprimanded she often talks back, escalates the conflict and just gets angrier instead of begging for mercy. She definitely gets reprimanded and punished often because she has much more of a habit of unashamedly doing whatever she wants, including taking things without permission and in general disobeying commands.

I've seen it often that Fi creatives claim Fe creatives to be manipulative for crying and being "pitiful". Similarly Fe creatives say Fi creatives are manipulative by creating and modifying relational bonds with people at their discretion and leveraging those bonds to get what they want from that person.

I worked with a SEE in the past, and he could sway you over into hating someone because that is what he wanted. They paint a character in bad colors and it can bring about what they are after. Of course i see thru it, it still sticks and it's hard to shake. It is emotive imprinting in its usage.

His Ti PoLR was unmatched, and that is how i typed him SEE over SLE via Socionics.

Somewhere here i wrote about the Ti dynamic, it was in one of lavos' threads.

The Fe parts here in the creative side, ring true. Too.

[Distance]

Fe abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Fi abcdefghijkl me nopqrstuvwxyz

Te = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Ti → i before e except after c

Ni: ♀ ☻ A

Ne : i n t e r n e t

Si : ☼ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Se : № abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

[godslave]

I don't like generalities when it comes to human psychology. For instance, people often talk about gender psychology in these terms : "Men are [xyz] ; Women are [xyz]". It's so reductive and unwise to think that way imho.

That said, it is clear to me, as it should be to everyone, that there is an undeniable ontological truth that distinguishes men from women and has the most significant impacts on their psychology, namely :

"All penises are extroverts and all vaginas are introverts"
The rest is literature..

[Distance]

Strategic vs Tactical in that R. dichotomy i find i can be both or ambidextrous in a split personality.

Recently in the last 6 months i've been in Strategic mode with the ongoing death and all those problems. If i dont have a goal, i'm T, if the other way, strategic.

I have a split personality, i can be two people, shifting to be left handed when i'm right. There are 2 emotive split sides to me, and it is weird. One of mother's boyfriends noted that in my mother, a J. A or a J b, two people in 1 body. Strange.

It is not a conscious adaptability to something, you slide into another human being on circumstances.

J =first name.

In baseball, i used to play for 3 years on a team, some players and can switch hit depending on the pitcher. Meaning standing at home plate and hit equally well from either side.

[godslave]

Strategic vs Tactical in that R. dichotomy i find i can be both or ambidextrous in a split personality.

Recently in the last 6 months i've been in Strategic mode with the ongoing death and all those problems. If i dont have a goal, i'm T, if the other way, strategic.

I have a split personality, i can be two people, shifting to be left handed when i'm right. There are 2 emotive split sides to me, and it is weird. One of mother's boyfriends noted that in my mother, a J. A or a J b, two people in 1 body. Strange.

It is not a conscious adaptability to something, you slide into another human being on circumstances.

J =first name.

In baseball, i used to play for 3 years on a team, some players and can switch hit depending on the pitcher. Meaning standing at home plate and hit equally well from either side.

I'm sorry to hear that sir.

If I may ask, have you ever been diagnosed with some kind of dyslexia ? I'm asking you because although we (I mean forum members) are now used to your rather original writing style, it seems like sometimes you can write in a more conventional style. I wonder if you're consciously making an effort to write in a cryptic fashion and if so why ?


Raptor also write in an original and unique style. It has a certain fluidity, like an improvised flow of free associations. I think Raptor might have a form of schizophrenia (?) and is probably on the autistic spectrum.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

@Distance does it come with gaps in memory/missing time?

[Distance]

I'm sorry to hear that sir.

If I may ask, have you ever been diagnosed with some kind of dyslexia ? I'm asking you because although we (I mean forum members) are now used to your rather original writing style, it seems like sometimes you can write in a more conventional style. I wonder if you're consciously making an effort to write in a cryptic fashion and if so why ?


Raptor also write in an original and unique style. It has a certain fluidity, like an improvised flow of free associations. I think Raptor might have a form of schizophrenia (?) and is probably on the autistic spectrum.

@Distance does it come with gaps in memory/missing time?

Re gs. No Dx. I don't have trouble reading or having the tell tale signs of it.

Re conventional writing style. It is me explaining something in the way i want it to come out. Clear & concise. Like your timber query, and my literal outline in steps.

Re kb. No i have a full memory. another person posted that we can switch, and i switch hit in my baseball analogy. It is 2 different flow states. Activation makes one or the other. The weird part is there is no acting, like switch sides being ambidextrous. I get your slant, like possible identity disorder with dissociation's.

Re forum. In school we took tests measuring ability, and i recall i was college level verbally at 15 years old. My processing speed was in the 99.9x% something making it way above the norms, it was more than 99.9 i remember.

I dart fast in my mind to things, and see a broad overview in outlines, lacking detail, and the forum gets that blast in associations.

I lack a slowness with precision as a consequence.

Lot-o-fun overall.

My vice is an almost pathological lack of patience. My wife will vouch for that. I've meditated on ways to slow down, and it yields better results.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Se egos think Ni egos are personal servers and lackeys. its eems like Se egos dont strategize to include what other people need. SLEs seem to jut do waht they want. talk to this perso nthat person now sing perform joke exercise joke more yap yap yap do do do and want u to follow them through. one SLE literally complains hes too rich and was never throughs mth hard and cant relate and help others, another one thinks hes always the victim and no one helps him and gets violent despite being helped numerous times he wants someone to do extreme eeffort for him but thats not how life works. if ur inconsistent and ppl have issues themsekves, obviously u wouldnt do waht u want someone to do for u bc u dont even have the vision that it takes and ur solipsitically self entiteld. how tf do u want things to happen dude. why cant u slow down and think. cuz ur addicted to pleasure? Ni doesnt fucking feel good sometimes u just sit there in the dark doing nothing or doing what ur doing but ur mind is trying to detach and calculate u cant feel good and do everything u want all the time are u insane. reminds me of that story where some ESI was doing smth adam had some interaction with her and then she left the restaurant in hurry for something not realizing she never gave him a chance to get his contact. like hes some random NPC that just does things for them. i think Se egos just treat others as random NPCs and inflate their own ego cuz they only think what they themselves think which is related o their short attention span. they don t try to think and figure what u think or figure. they somehow think they are the only ones being capable and doing tough stuff, unless someone brings them down and they can split into thinking they are lackeys thmeslevs. like super polarized thinking, or they can think "im trash" but also think "im great" simultaneously yet acting like those things are unrelated in the ways they think they are but they are not. they are trash in ways they dont realize they are trash or only realize it locally. they literally do the same pattern but one time realize they are doing smth wrong and another time its like it never happenned, but are they aware they are doing this. that they are missing smth and are inconsistent. they kinda do so they overperform and overextend in one way which messes them up and again inflates their ego. they think they are the shit bc they did smth and somehow this translates to other things in their mind when it doesnt??

LIE cant close the gap with ESI cuz he acts like some random business man theres no feel good emotional conenction for the ESI to remember him theres just practical advice and jokes while the IEI cant communicate effective instructions to the SLE, mb dooality werks if ur like INFJ ESI with ENTJ LIE not ISFP ESI

[CosmicGenis]

Fe abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Fi abcdefghijkl me nopqrstuvwxyz

Te = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Ti → i before e except after c

Ni: ♀ ☻ A

Ne : i n t e r n e t

Si : ☼ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Se : № abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

This is a great mesh, which is Level 5. Thank you very much.

[CosmicGenis]

I don't like generalities when it comes to human psychology. For instance, people often talk about gender psychology in these terms : "Men are [xyz] ; Women are [xyz]". It's so reductive and unwise to think that way imho.

That said, it is clear to me, as it should be to everyone, that there is an undeniable ontological truth that distinguishes men from women and has the most significant impacts on their psychology, namely :

"All penises are extroverts and all vaginas are introverts"
The rest is literature..

LII builds everything from the penis. "From" (ablative case) exceeds "off of" (quirky idiom) in strength.

[Distance]

In My Type thread, in my latest post i posted something about Fi vs Ti in a ship illustration, & i thought of a way to visualize it here.

We see everything and require a translation.

It is a very centered approach: Me.

Also, it breaks the standing line or order m n e.

That is what Fi looks like to me, literally, if you map it this way.

Fe abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Fi abcdefghijkl me nopqrstuvwxyz

Te = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Ti → i before e except after c

Ni: ♀ ☻ A

Ne : i n t e r n e t

Si : ☼ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Se : № abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

This is a great mesh, which is Level 5. Thank you very much.

Glad you like it. It is doodling and i used alphabet art to make a visual version of the terms.

I thought it up in about 15 minutes to a completion.

It's hippie stuff really, something to be seen in the more progressive schools.

[CosmicGenis]

Glad you like it. It is doodling and i used alphabet art to make a visual version of the terms.

I thought it up in about 15 minutes to a completion.

It's hippie stuff really, something to be seen in the more progressive schools.

[spacious]

i notice my ne polr in that i don't tend to do a lot of consideration of what someone else may have going on - on their end - before i reach out to them - unless i explicitly, consciously know what they have going on, because someone has directly told me. like.. i will be 'surprised' or caught off guard when i call someone spontaneously and then they can't talk :-/ 'it was a good time for me, why isn't it for u?!' of course in every situation it isn't like that. there's a one sidedness. i noticed that when rescheduling things, some people would be like 'could we ...?' whereas i'll be like very literal from my perspective. this has happened with ILIs too where i'm talking b/c i have the time and theyre like actually i gotta go do something, i'm like god dangit. haha

juggling the what-if-ness makes my brain hurt, which is why i tend to not necessarily 'check' before 'imposing' my whatever. but i can see that i could be annoyingly selective or picky about when i engage with whom; like if people i'm not that close to message me, i don't really want to shoot the shit with them until ive already felt a deeper, closer-to-home connection with people in my close circle. so i may react (emoji) to the messages from the less close people and then get back to them once i feel more ready to.

[godslave]

i notice my ne polr in that i don't tend to do a lot of consideration of what someone else may have going on - on their end - before i reach out to them - unless i explicitly, consciously know what they have going on, because someone has directly told me. like.. i will be 'surprised' or caught off guard when i call someone spontaneously and then they can't talk :-/ 'it was a good time for me, why isn't it for u?!' of course in every situation it isn't like that. there's a one sidedness. i noticed that when rescheduling things, some people would be like 'could we ...?' whereas i'll be like very literal from my perspective. this has happened with ILIs too where i'm talking b/c i have the time and theyre like actually i gotta go do something, i'm like god dangit. haha

juggling the what-if-ness makes my brain hurt, which is why i tend to not necessarily 'check' before 'imposing' my whatever. but i can see that i could be annoyingly selective or picky about when i engage with whom; like if people i'm not that close to message me, i don't really want to shoot the shit with them until ive already felt a deeper, closer-to-home connection with people in my close circle. so i may react (emoji) to the messages from the less close people and then get back to them once i feel more ready to.

If I may ask, what makes you like or dislike a person ? It is said that Fi is a rational IE so I'm curious to know how real life Fi doms experience it. Do you instantly (like after a few seconds) like/dislike a person ? If so why ? Do you have a neutral mode before seeing the person "in action" (communication and/or behavior) ?

Personally I immediately know if I like a person or not when I look at him/her. I often talk about "energy" because this is how I feel it. I don't like /dislike the individual but rather his/her energy. That's an Fi judgment (Judgment of energetic interactions between object) : Fe is the energy of the person, the "aura" if you will, it's what leaks to the outside from the inside so the info is about the energy inside the person (or object ). Some people have a good energy and I like it, some have bad energy and I dislike it, that's very simple.

Now, how a person's energy make other person feel ? That's an Fi info territory. Who are the others ? Me and all the other individuals within the circle of influence of the Fe of the person (each one of these person having their own Fe of course !). So Fi doms see very clearly the energetic variations (Fe ignoring (but I prefer the term "Observing" because it's better)) "between people" (Fi).

Now, of course no IE works alone, all IEs work in tandem and with a define order. [Fi-Se] blocking in which Fi is the accepting function and Se the producing function is very different from [Se-Fi] blocking in which Se is the accepting function and Fi the producing function. The former is rational the latter is irrational.

The former takes account of the Fi info as a factual reality without wanting to change it and manipulate creatively Se info to solutionize issues relative to Fi. For instance : This person is a bad person, I don't like him/her (Fi accepting), his/her influence on me and other people should not be tolerated, I'll keep him/her at bay by force ( send him to prison for instance) (Se). FI-Se Ego is satisfied, the mission is accomplished.

The latter takes account of the Se info as a factual reality without wanting to change it and manipulate creatively Fi info to solutionize issues relative to Se. For instance : This person is more powerful than me and is a threat to my interests as well as that of others (Se accepting), I will manipulate the attitude of the people (society) towards him/her (Fi) so that they'll destroy him (either socially or physically). Se-Fi Ego is satisfied, the mission is accomplished.

Now, of course Fi can also be blocked with Ne...

[Distance]

Type is like blood type, all the types of blood bear nothing or have no consequences on your personal fortunes.

People see success and make an attribution error to the cause.

• It isn't blood type.
• It isn't IQ.
• It is you.

[CosmicGenis]

Type is like blood type, all the types of blood bear nothing or have no consequences on your personal fortunes.

People see success and make an attribution error to the cause.

• It isn't blood type.
• It isn't IQ.
• It is you.

Then why do men lie about type so much?

[Distance]

Then why do men lie about type so much?

The same reason kindergarten Kevin might say all people of color x are bad attributed to single samples.

Wisdom

[CosmicGenis]

The same reason kindergarten Kevin might say all people of color x are bad attributed to single samples.

Wisdom

Young children have much self-awareness.

[Distance]

Young children have much self-awareness.

Give 'em a decade in the 9 to 5 grind, and you become a reactive mass moving away, not to or toward.

[CosmicGenis]

According to the inventors of socionics, Kevin belongs to the club of socials.

[Distance]

According to the inventors of socionics, Kevin belongs to the club of socials.

Lol. I can smell an ENTP over the horizon.

[Still Alive]

What’s an example of someone who you don’t think is IEI?

I've created this thread a longer while ago.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

I closed it though because I didn't want the user "Sol" to spam unrelated messages in it. I think beta NF make up almost all public figures.

[godslave]

I've noticed a funny phenomenon in some people of a certain type ; once they understand something they are persuaded that they have discovered something no one else has figured out before when in reality the thing they just understood pertains to the basics understanding of of let's say socionics for instance . I've seen this pattern more than once here in the forum. I wonder :

a) What type is it ??
b) What are the socionics reasons behind this phenomenon ?

[CosmicGenis]

Sociological Systems by Personality Type

LII := Wisdom/Folly.
ILI/ILE := Innocence/Guilt.
LIE := Inclusion/Exclusion.
Club of socials := Honor/Shame.
EIE/IEE := Promised/Foreigner.
IEI/EII := Polite/Rude.
LSI/SLI := Royalty/Commoner.
LSE/SLE := Liked/Disliked.
??? := Winner/Loser (for C.E.O.'s).

(a penny for the guy.)

Notice that {LII, LIE, Club of Socials, ???} are holistic while {ILI/ILE, EIE/IEE, IEI/EII, LSI/SLI, LSE/SLE} are atomistic.

[Distance]

Fe abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Fi abcdefghijkl me nopqrstuvwxyz

Te = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Ti → i before e except after c

Ni: ♀ ☻ A

Ne : i n t e r n e t

Si : ☼ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Se : № abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Me in high notes.

[thistle]

I think that conversations and the dynamic between two or more people can be more Merry or more Serious, but I don't think that applies to an individual's trait
An individual can have traits like being mellow or dry and matter of fact but I think their (seriousness, for example) depends on who they're with.

a particular conference or community group could have a Merry or Serious tone.

[Echo]

I've created this thread a longer while ago.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

I closed it though because I didn't want the user "Sol" to spam unrelated messages in it. I think beta NF make up almost all public figures.

What about non-betas?

[Still Alive]

What about non-betas?

They live their lives without wanting to be in the highest position possible or spotlight, I guess. I'm not even sure if Sydsnap is an EIE if I'm honest. I saw a video of her years ago counting numbers for 24 hours or so. Not exactly an extroverted thing to do imo. Being expressive might just be her persona.

[godslave]

I've noticed another funny phenomenon in some people of a certain type ; In there speech their is always "a problem" to solve. They would expose the situation and then point out to "the problem" even if a solution has been applied to the problem, for some reason the solution is also problematic... I wonder :

a) What type is it ??
b) What are the socionics reasons behind this phenomenon ?

[Distance]

I've noticed another funny phenomenon in some people of a certain type ; In there speech their is always "a problem" to solve. They would expose the situation and then point out to "the problem" even if a solution has been applied to the problem, for some reason the solution is also problematic... I wonder :

a) What type is it ??
b) What are the socionics reasons behind this phenomenon ?

That is over Ti over Te.

If you notice Adam or FDG step thru problems, when there is one. The storm is over.

Ti is always making a rules and unfolds the progression as tentative.

That is what it can look like if that is what you are seeing. ?

Te is efficiency and it isn't efficient to speculate the next hurdle without that hurdle being seen.

[spacious]

If I may ask, what makes you like or dislike a person ? It is said that Fi is a rational IE so I'm curious to know how real life Fi doms experience it. Do you instantly (like after a few seconds) like/dislike a person ? If so why ? Do you have a neutral mode before seeing the person "in action" (communication and/or behavior) ?

Personally I immediately know if I like a person or not when I look at him/her. I often talk about "energy" because this is how I feel it. I don't like /dislike the individual but rather his/her energy. That's an Fi judgment (Judgment of energetic interactions between object) : Fe is the energy of the person, the "aura" if you will, it's what leaks to the outside from the inside so the info is about the energy inside the person (or object ). Some people have a good energy and I like it, some have bad energy and I dislike it, that's very simple.

Now, how a person's energy make other person feel ? That's an Fi info territory. Who are the others ? Me and all the other individuals within the circle of influence of the Fe of the person (each one of these person having their own Fe of course !). So Fi doms see very clearly the energetic variations (Fe ignoring (but I prefer the term "Observing" because it's better)) "between people" (Fi).

Now, of course no IE works alone, all IEs work in tandem and with a define order. [Fi-Se] blocking in which Fi is the accepting function and Se the producing function is very different from [Se-Fi] blocking in which Se is the accepting function and Fi the producing function. The former is rational the latter is irrational.

The former takes account of the Fi info as a factual reality without wanting to change it and manipulate creatively Se info to solutionize issues relative to Fi. For instance : This person is a bad person, I don't like him/her (Fi accepting), his/her influence on me and other people should not be tolerated, I'll keep him/her at bay by force ( send him to prison for instance) (Se). FI-Se Ego is satisfied, the mission is accomplished.

The latter takes account of the Se info as a factual reality without wanting to change it and manipulate creatively Fi info to solutionize issues relative to Se. For instance : This person is more powerful than me and is a threat to my interests as well as that of others (Se accepting), I will manipulate the attitude of the people (society) towards him/her (Fi) so that they'll destroy him (either socially or physically). Se-Fi Ego is satisfied, the mission is accomplished.

Now, of course Fi can also be blocked with Ne...

It happens very quickly. Some kind of association with what I see before me then triggers a reaction and maybe, you could say, a snap judgment. Oftentimes I will 'catch' myself doing that and try to see it for what it is, a judgment. Now that I think about it, I think I only enter that awareness when the judgment is a negative one -- the best word to describe the feeling is one of repulsion, maybe this brings in my e4-ness as well.

These are passing interactions with strangers at the small grocery co-op that I am thinking of. Why, probably has something to do with my beliefs, I'm not entirely sure. I think I can feel a lot of self-consciousness when around strangers in a small place (e.g. grocery store). I sort of wish that I were invisible in such a space to save myself the embarrassment of being seen out in public in not a fashionable outfit and having to interact with the checkout people, attempt to make conversation, they may say 'what?' because I was mumbling.

I think there are people I am curious about and those I am less curious about. Maybe for the latter group, I feel like I know enough about them based on what I pick up before me, and/or don't think that there is strong potential for us to develop any kind of relationship. Whereas in the first group, people who have some sort of charm and seem appealing to me, I'm kind of interested in getting to know more. Not that there are that many opportunities to actually form relationships with people when you are out and about! When I find someone interesting, I am at ease striking up a little convo. Not everyone is receptive to it, though. I hope this helps…

Also: I think that I like people who come off as friendly and down-to-earth. I don't like when people give off a highly stylized/curated vibe or seem esoteric* or hard to reach/get through to.

*i don't think the word 'esoteric' is usually applied towards people - more like interests or subject matter; i'm using it anyway here, with the knowledge of its likely grammatical incorrectness; this is an informal space.

[godslave]

It happens very quickly. Some kind of association with what I see before me then triggers a reaction and maybe, you could say, a snap judgment. Oftentimes I will 'catch' myself doing that and try to see it for what it is, a judgment. Now that I think about it, I think I only enter that awareness when the judgment is a negative one -- the best word to describe the feeling is one of repulsion, maybe this brings in my e4-ness as well.

These are passing interactions with strangers at the small grocery co-op that I am thinking of. Why, probably has something to do with my beliefs, I'm not entirely sure. I think I can feel a lot of self-consciousness when around strangers in a small place (e.g. grocery store). I sort of wish that I were invisible in such a space to save myself the embarrassment of being seen out in public in not a fashionable outfit and having to interact with the checkout people, attempt to make conversation, they may say 'what?' because I was mumbling.

I think there are people I am curious about and those I am less curious about. Maybe for the latter group, I feel like I know enough about them based on what I pick up before me, and/or don't think that there is strong potential for us to develop any kind of relationship. Whereas in the first group, people who have some sort of charm and seem appealing to me, I'm kind of interested in getting to know more. Not that there are that many opportunities to actually form relationships with people when you are out and about! When I find someone interesting, I am at ease striking up a little convo. Not everyone is receptive to it, though. I hope this helps…

Also: I think that I like people who come off as friendly and down-to-earth. I don't like when people give off a highly stylized/curated vibe or seem esoteric* or hard to reach/get through to.

*i don't think the word 'esoteric' is usually applied towards people - more like interests or subject matter; i'm using it anyway here, with the knowledge of its likely grammatical incorrectness; this is an informal space.

Thank you very much for your time. This is very insightful indeed. I think I resemble you in many ways. Thanks again for sharing.

[thistle]

Just wondering whether anyone has an opinion on whether these two are examples of strong Extroverted Sensation?

- A person thought up a new way to manoeuvre a ship and decided to try it next time they were onboard. I presume they had the physics/range of motion of the ship in their memory and were familiar with handling it, but I was still surprised that they could come up with the plan ahead of time.

- Another person drew me the floor plan of a building that we weren't currently inside. They were able to do this from their memory.