I haven't really read Ernest Hemingway but how he keeps repeating things is interesting because I've noticed I do it as well. Don't know what to make of it.
I haven't really read Ernest Hemingway but how he keeps repeating things is interesting because I've noticed I do it as well. Don't know what to make of it.
I think typology will never succeed because the damage is already done. Science people are NT, Conservatives are ST, there's just too many stereotypes in the minds of people you just won't get rid of them and they are likely all inaccurate bs
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Lyrics of an SEE in spoiler.
It is metaphor but in sensory frames, not intuition in abstractions, like Roger Waters, or John Lennon, for example, where ideas of a thing flourish.
Song writer is Stevie Nicks
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Need some examples of LSE-H
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I like the description/vibes quite a bit
No wonder I have been drawn to SLIs too lol given this
can def feel the lack of certain aspects of compatibility with Normalizing types doesn’t matter if they are in my quadra but again one aspect is not necessarily going to break a relationship
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“So the Sexual Instinct becomes run by a fear of being undesirable, not just in terms of appearance, but being un-”fusible,” unchosen, and repulsive. ”
wow so what I have been saying for an entire half od my life even before I encountered the enneagram, ok
it was never about appearance, even though people interpret as such
and it was not about "so and so love you platonically though" either
because that was not what I was seeking
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Feel and see in mind the concept of energy form, difficult to put in words
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Floating over to me, me and you are sitting on this thing in the sky, and it's moving
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She personifies floating
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A had an anniversary not long ago here at 16T, and what was my impression, a year ago?
Well, i came here assuredly as an ESTP, thinking super ego enhanced, moving into being an intuitive in ILE form, in a short while. There was a female ILE that helped along the way with similar Si problems in staking vectors for true north in type. You can get lost in walking in the types with little data on hand, par for the course with low sensing.
When i was getting intuitive takes on my type, i was thinking EIE as more possible over ILE, more from my poetic flare. Riven stated that yeah, but you don't feel it. Then it shifted to where she said maybe, you just might be ethical.
Sol gave 3 options: EIE,ILE, IEE. nifl thought flower power in language = N. Coruleum Blue typed me ILE in passing, i recall.
I think IEE is solid for me. I can't see it another way.
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Se egos may be trying too hard to make impressions to the point of opressing actual thoughts. i think u can see it as children, and as adulst they may have some kind of complicated reasoning behind the masks that makes them appear as if what they express is important or meaningful but they are just hiding their unreasoned thoughts and acting entitled superficially which makes them appear as if what they express is sensible. this often seems to lead into formation of gangs too > thinking thier own gang/group/tribe is better and more deserving than the others + bad intuition relating to thoughts about how everyone can function together, they tend to believe its a dog eat dog world
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yep, seems the most likely. S, T and J types talk in a clearer way, and you seem closer to Fi in your accent on agreeableness in interactions.
One of the things I've noticed about many SLEs is that they want to become rich. They talk about becoming rich, they work hard, but they rarely become rich, although there are some exceptions.
If Te is all about making money (and Myers-Briggs surveys will tell you that LIEs and LSEs are the highest earners), what is it about SLEs that attracts them to the idea of being rich?
I've often said that, as an LIE, my own 1D Fi prevents me from forming normal value assessments of people and objects. I can't determine how much I intrinsically value an item, or a person, so instead, I use their monetary values as a measure of worth. I substitute a dollar value for an ethical value, because that's all I've got to work with.
SLEs also have 4D Te and 1D Fi. But these functions are unvalued, and so they tend to be abandoned in the face of a brighter pebble.
Shyness is not introversion in any form. it is a form of neuroticism.
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Fi PoLR experiences from ESTP & ENTP, 10 minutes.
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In physics, there exists a known quantity called the curse of dimensionality which states that higher dimensions are not necessarily more perfect.
This gives a fresh perspective on the 4D thinkers of LII and LIE
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I live in Wisconsin.
I work in a lumber yard there.
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They say "What's your name?"
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I wanted to reply to a post from @godslave from a couple of days ago but I couldn't find it and I'm not going to bother to search for it again. It's interesting that we both agree that the 16 types aren't "personality types". I guess I convinced him in that point. I would be interested in knowing if Carl Jung ever even mentioned the term "personality", but I can't be bothered to read Psychological Types again. I guess I could search for the word online. It's easy to look at woke leftists and draw the conclusion "well, they are obviously humanists and empaths so I guess all NF types must be like this" but in reality that's likely just a subgroup of types. It's generally a problem of typology that you look at limited observations (which can be true!) and then you extrapolate them onto the whole population of 8 billion people without observing each and one of them so then your observation becomes false. I work in a company with 300k employees and while I haven't met every single one, I definitely see people of a certain type occupying roles that do not "fit" them according to typology theory. I have seen countless of IEI entrepreneurs who supposidely can't be that due to "Te" PolR and every person of that type must be an impractical dreamer and I think this sort of perspective does more harm than good. people generally get away with a lot of wishy washy definitions and I wish people would pressure socionists more in terms of how they define types and functions and if that makes logical sense and they can back their perspective with some form of proof or argument.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
Thank you for your time ! I think this might be the post you are referring to.
I've always took for granted that Types and "personality" were two different phenomenon even if they are intertwined. Jung himself talked about that in his work (see this excellent post for more details). That said, I felt the need to remind it because I've seen that amalgam several times here and elsewhere. There is also this trend going on where typology aficionados stack different typologies together in order to better define the "personality" of individuals. The formula would be "TIM + Psychosophy type + Enneagram type = Personality", of course things are not that easy and don't get me start on all the overlaps induced by such stackings giving the nature of the territory covered by each typology.
Of course he did. However, Jung acknowledged that Psychological Types don't encompasses the whole personality (even more so towards the end of his life). As a reminder Jung's PT can be thought as a further differentiations of Temperaments (which in fact are no more than natural phenomenon) done in a way that perfectly fit within the Jungian paradigm i.e. Jungian Psychology.I would be interested in knowing if Carl Jung ever even mentioned the term "personality", but I can't be bothered to read Psychological Types again. I guess I could search for the word online.
That said, the idea that socionics and Jung's Psychological Types are compatible is an illusion. Socionics is partly inspired by Jung's PT and the rest is basically AI (I mean Info metabolism and Cybernetics...), it doesn't fit within the Jungian Paradigm imho.
I mean it's easy to observe even within socionics that TIM can be completely different in terms of personality and behavior. I mean we have type EIE for instance, do I need to demonstrate in how many shades that TIM can manifest. If you tell a group of people who don't know about socionics that Charlie Chaplin, Shakespeare, Goethe, Nero and Louis XIV (let's keep it classic shall we !) have the same "Personality", they wouldn't believe you.It's easy to look at woke leftists and draw the conclusion "well, they are obviously humanists and empaths so I guess all NF types must be like this" but in reality that's likely just a subgroup of types. It's generally a problem of typology that you look at limited observations (which can be true!) and then you extrapolate them onto the whole population of 8 billion people without observing each and one of them so then your observation becomes false. I work in a company with 300k employees and while I haven't met every single one, I definitely see people of a certain type occupying roles that do not "fit" them according to typology theory. I have seen countless of IEI entrepreneurs who supposedly can't be that due to "Te" PolR and every person of that type must be an impractical dreamer and I think this sort of perspective does more harm than good. people generally get away with a lot of wishy washy definitions and I wish people would pressure socionists more in terms of how they define types and functions and if that makes logical sense and they can back their perspective with some form of proof or argument.
Subtypes are meh, they are a departure from the socionics core and an attempt to match TIM/Sociotypes with "Personalities". An endeavor that is doomed to failure imho. That said, when I play a video game I don't rewrite the code because I find it unrealistic, as long as they are fun to play then I'm good if you know what I mean...
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@godslave: hmm I'm not sure. I think there was another post that contained the word personality or I'm imagining stuff. I barely care about different typology combinations anymore as people can barely describe what Fe (or any other theoretical concept) really is and I've seen Fe types being flamboyant drag queens but also stone cold stoics so internally I'm questioning what that function (or the others) really is. I'm not a Jungian, I only remember Jung not really being happy with typologies like MBTI. I have always seen socionics as something unrelated to Jung. I don't care too much about the subtypes or Models. It's interesting to try them out. I don't know. I go through life and see that there's people who are universally liked or disliked depending on the traits they have, and then there are people for whom it is the most natural thing in the world to chose one partner for the rest of their life, and others are constantly sleeping around, and I ask myself "what does all of that have to do with types or ITR"? I constantly think about what type, personality, traits are and how blurry the line is and to what extend we can influence it. I think most people actually describe traits when they are talking about the types
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Personally I'm not a "Jungian" either even if his work is fascinating, the man was really brilliant and I prefer him to Freud. That said, to me Freud's work and by extension Jung's work are imho ought to be apprehended as philosophical movements in the light of modern Psychology and Neuroscience. Furthermore, some of Jung's stuff are really out there in terms of esotericism. By the way, Aushra's work is not devoid of "voodoo" either. I mean the lady had brilliant ideas but also some others that are so...unwise that it's hard to believe that they came from the same person.
And yes, most people describe what they see of or in people and that's basically behavior in the very large sense of that term. At the end of the day, people instinctively know this basic truth of the Human condition : "Temperaments do exists". The rest is litterature.
Socionics in fun if one is willing to play the game, be aware of its limits and consider the fact that it's a "work in progress".
At least in Astrology you have an Horoscope and an Astral chart i.e. a destiny ! easy peasy !
Yeah I always saw Jung and Freud as philosophers too. I think Freud even started "Interpretations of Dreams" with the comment: "such insights only come to you once or twice in your life" or something like that. Regardless of their output, it is clear that both of them were deep thinkers that heavily relied on their imagination, while typology is just a flawed systematic approach at those insights. I think they should be treated like that too, inviting to reflections instead of forcing them into empirical systems for the sake of factual accuracy. They were never supposed to be like this imo. I noticed that we have a similar view. I don't like the idea of forcing typology onto civilization because it will destroy any room for these theoretical discussions and the questioning of the systems that really need to happen. I also liked the comment by @mu4 that love and romance are bourgeoisie concepts because in poorer nations it's not like you can choose your partner based on a variety of options. There's really no rush for socionics to be adopted. It only needs gradual improvements from time to time
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I've never emotionally manipulated anyone. I persuade with consequences, but never with guilt or shame tatics.
I will try to sell you on something with my enthusiasm and I'll try to infect you with it, because I think it is a good thing to embark on.
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Sincere (now rebranded as "authentic") communication is ESI, SEI. Soulful communication is IEI, EII.
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I live in Wisconsin.
I work in a lumber yard there.
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They say "What's your name?"
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I stumbled upon this lady (≃IEI not sure) who happens to identify with 649 (6 so/sx). I'm doubting my 694 re-self-typing (I thought 964 until I was diagnosed with severe anxiety disorder) since... my self re-self-typing. I don't vibe like her even if i "get" the spirit and I resonate with some of what she said. I like her vibe though.
I really like it when people describe their own type because they project a lot of their own individuality onto the type. They get the chance to talk about themselves more freely under the cover of "type description" even if this phenomenon might be unconscious to a certain degree.
This isn't bad.
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I have been seeing my LSE sister today because I wanted to give her money for mother's/father's day. She is an LSE in my opinion. We don't really have much to say to each other, but I don't remember ever having an argument with her (we don't have much to say to each other, though). She is very conservative, concrete, non-creative, direct. She has been married for 15 years. Her husband is also very conservative. They both sell cars, and I have never owned one. I think he is an IEI. He collects old-timers and regularily goes to events. I don't think they are getting along that well but even after 15 years they are still married, although they don't have children and he is 15 years older than my sister. I really think there is something to the idea that similar temperaments are more important than ITR. If you are someone who is very literal and realistic you might want to choose a partner who is similar. If you are someone that judges character you might want someone that has a good character. I think there are elements that are more important than ITR and duality might not be the most important thing in the world like socionics claims
Of course people can think it's just another opinion but I have studied this topic for 10 years. It doesn't come from nowhere
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How’s having 2 sensor sibs
Hmm not that special I guess. My LSE sister is 15 years older and has pretty much spend her whole life working. I barely see her. Pretty much always involved in some work related stuff that involves cars. I don't really have much in common with her and she lives 700km away. My ESI sister is extremly conservative but at least focused on people so quite pleasant to hang around from time to time. Sadly she believes stuff like climate change is a hoax. It's complicated. I get along better with my two brothers who are LII and IEI
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ILI is the Renaissance man but I think ILI ∪ ILE is the man of all seasons.
(My name is Yon Yonson,
I live in Wisconsin.
I work in a lumber yard there.
The people I meet as
I walk down the street,
They say "Hello!"
I say "Hello!"
They say "What's your name?"
I say: (My name is Yon Yonson...
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two somewhat humorous videos on the different IEI ideologies that can exist I guess. would be interesting to make a list out of all of them. I know that Ni likes to catalogue and create lists. there must be some person that mapped all these out.
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Physical ailments tend to be interpreted more severely for types with-PoLR.
(My name is Yon Yonson,
I live in Wisconsin.
I work in a lumber yard there.
The people I meet as
I walk down the street,
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I say "Hello!"
They say "What's your name?"
I say: (My name is Yon Yonson...
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every IEE i personally know is fatherless except my sister but they fought. but she may have been traumatised in the womb cuz she came after me so he was more stressed already.
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"Ignoramus with genius problem-solving skills" is an impossible personality.
This is the personality type that the U.S.A. wants to wish into existence, and it's a logical impossibility, such as a square circle or a married bachelor. If you raise someone to be ignorant, he cannot develop genius problem-solving skills. And the type of skills needed to be a good problem solver results in a general knowledge of topology, thereby making him necessarily informed.
"To be a good problem-solver, you must first be a good guesser." - Paul Halmos.
(My name is Yon Yonson,
I live in Wisconsin.
I work in a lumber yard there.
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I say "Hello!"
They say "What's your name?"
I say: (My name is Yon Yonson...
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I do this, but I thought everybody did. There's always a root cause for everything that happens and it's just making educated guesses into what it is.
I have noticed that in the ENTP's a lot, in quoting references online and using examples of others IRL, in building a case to fence as she put it. It is the way it is used is the patterns displayed as a match.
Zappa and Ti Se type "ISTP" is controversial in some places, because Talent = N, but i've seen the cognition laid out like that IRL. I once had a type discussion with a woman who used Susan Cain, the power of introverts book, and she could have been his twin, and eerily so. Looks, manner and cut- n- dry true false statements. She thought of me opposite of her comfort niche idea seated in that work, like extravert. You seem one of them sentiments, in other words.
The last example is controversial on the forum because in the Socion he is typed EIE.
Overall i think she is the closest on her picks, Sara MBTI.
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dunno about Zappa being LSI
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"The problem withs MBTI aficionados is a misunderstanding of the word "Types" , it is used as synonymous of "Personality" which is a big mistake. Unfortunately that mistake is common in all typologies including socionics. The way one behaves doesn't necessarily reflects one's psyche and information treatment, it all happens at the "cognitive" level at least in Model A. But people (even pros) can't help but to describe these TIM in terms of behavior '"they are xyz, they do xyz" etc, that's profiling..."
@godslave: I'm going to answer you here because the message is probably going to be a bit longer. The question about what is personality and what is type should probably be one of the more important questions to address as people can have hundreds, if not thousands of personalities and it's easy to just categorize all of it into small groups when you don't really have a tight framework to work with. I barely watch videos about MBTI, but I did notice that they often claim: this is Fe or that and there's absolutely no proof to any of it. this is how ENFJ and ISTP will interact but how did they even get these predictions? I doubt any person has hundreds of relationships that they can observe each day. Even Jung, how many people has he really observed. I can go to the internet and read countless of comments, I probably have more access to how humans behave by just simply being able to access the internet, which Jung didn't have. In typology, there are a lot of subjective claims that are presented as facts but I cannot help but think that 90% of it is just specific traits that a person just happens to have. It really is like Astrology in a lot of aspects but instead of saying you're confident and creative because you are a sagittarius or gemini, people say you are creative and chaotic and quirky because you are an ENFP, even though the majority of the population doesn't behave like that at all, because they can't afford to behave like that due to their life circumstances.
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I agree with all that ! Indeed, some people confound Typology with divination or something.
I would say that the best way to know about the Human condition is to observe its depiction through Arts, literature, plays, movies of the Great repertoire of Humanity throughout history, it's our cultural Legacy as human beings. That's where Jung found and developed his ideas of Archetypes etc...
intuition is perception of the unseen and this is related to perceiving what other people are going through. the sensing function seems to be related to people overextending their boundaries over what belongs to others while being entitled and dismissive about it smehow not understanding or refusing to how u affect others bc u think its fake. like some guy who said smth like "if laid hands on me im beating them up cuz thats how i was raised idc" like ur not a 4 year old idk how u think this makes u look. everyone has had thier boundaries violated somehow and this is rather mild and unjustifactory. ofc some ppl will keep violating u in "small" so tyo say ways that are actually violating until u start crumbling while they pretend they didnt do anything too. and in fact this can be u in this case cuz ppl shouldnt live in constant fear about what u can get pissed off about when its actually not a big deal + fucks up their functioning if they have be so concerned about it. no other people's functioning doesnt get fucked up when they have to NOT physically harass you consisntely over time after you told them no. this happenned to me personally. but this is not what u;re complaning about.
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Se is the function of gaslighting? kinda true and makes sense. it focuses on external (extroverted) sensory stimulus (again u get sensory stimulus from the external environet) which disconnects u from urself and is related to force. and being forced is how u disconned from urself. this is also related to why SxEs can be so fake and performative. gaslighting and abusing ureslf to be "cool" and "manly/womanly/"whatever ur ideal is and not appear waek. objective IMPULSIVE impressions bc intuition can take time and effort, seeing beyond the surface. also why cool can become goofy
Si egos related to maybe "natural" personal impressions that dont go much beyond. example those guys who yell at u for minor inconviences and "survive" riding a train and complain about how hard life is, then also complain about how anyone trying to change or improve or do meaningful things is fake and goofy. then u crash a car they gave u thats a bad crash on accident but ur paranoid and they start giving an emotional speech about how at least u're ok. but when u destroy items on accident or dont do things on schedule or whatever bs they yell at u, opress u, starve u, abuse u whatever whatever and its fine bc ur not dead but ur dying and they are taking away opportunities away from u living ur life. Se egos can also do that thinking its discipline. well N types can totally do that too
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some ILE thoguht i vibed like i really wanna be away from ppl or smth. she was actaully right but at the time i didnt think she was. cuz my brain was crushed i was using ppl to stimulate my thought process cuz i felt like i was gonna die if i was alone so to say. using other ppl to reflect myself on and process. mb thats what "extraverts" mean was another thought. but i strained so much to learn to mask and became dependent on others in the first place partially at least maybe bc of how much i was masking. my ESI teacher was a leo and she said how she thought she wanted to be alone but tried it and realized she couldnt take it to be away from ppl too much. but my sun isnt leo and im autistic AND MBTI INFJ. but someone said my natal chart was of an extravert if thats even a thing and idk if he was right.
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