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[SacredKnowing]

Reading more fully what he actually said, he actually seems to think a theory must be based on observations.

A theory can be an inaccurate explanation of observations, but it must be based on observations in order to be a theory. At least, a scientific one, which is the only meaningful sense.

It's a hypothesis that doesn't "need" to be demonstrated, but it would remain unproven if so. A hypothesis still must be a explanation of observations. I don't regard Socionics as even a hypothesis because it lacks precise definition of alleged observations.

What about music theory? Number theory? Computational complexity theory? All of the cool theories are not based on observations.

[Enters Laughing]

What about music theory? Number theory? Computational complexity theory? All of the cool theories are not based on observations.

They could be, if based on observation. I think a good argument could be made for the mathematical universe being a dimension of reality, although I don't currently lean towards such a view.

[SacredKnowing]

They could be, if based on observation. I think a good argument could be made for the mathematical universe being a dimension of reality, although I don't currently lean towards such a view.

Maybe a model is a theory that's not based on observation, and a theory is a model that's based on observation. What do you think about that?

[Enters Laughing]

Maybe a model is a theory that's not based on observation, and a theory is a model that's based on observation. What do you think about that?

Maybe I'm too hardline about how words are actually used and too prone to insisting on my usage.

A model to be me sounds like it's a set of ideas or notions whether or not they have evidence to it, but a theory could just be one idea or statement that explains an observation.

Basically, people have speculations, conjectures, intuitions etc. which may or may not be based on observations.

Then there is the hypothesis, which is a plausible (possible by current understanding) explanation of observations, which can be tested to be established to be true or false to a level of confidence.

Then there is the (scientific) theory which is an explanation substantiated with evidence (observations) to a certain level of confidence.

Then there are scientific laws, which are categorically true explanations of reality for specific conditions: which have been demonstrated to be true in all such cases. The laws of gravity are true in classical physics for example, and are generally useful to be regarded as such, but at the quantum level, our understanding needs to be supplemented. As I understand, gravity doesn't actually exist as a distinct entity.

In the time of Euclid, it was held to be true that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but this was based on an incomplete understanding of reality, and an incomplete definition. If Euclid had said this applies to planar geometry, he would have been correct. Unless somehow our understanding is still incomplete.

[SacredKnowing]

In the time of Euclid, it was held to be true that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but this was based on an incomplete understanding of reality, and an incomplete definition. If Euclid had said this applies to planar geometry, he would have been correct. Unless somehow our understanding is still incomplete.

By the definition of a straight line, it is the shortest distance between two points. Therefore this is true for any geometry that has an object named "line" (which is to say, all of them). What Euclid presumed was that given a straight line and a point not on that line, the geometer could construct only one line that is parallel, and that it was logically impossible for there to be a second parallel line that could be constructed through the same point (Why? Who knew how ancient people thought?). Other geometries, such as hyperbolic, allow the geometer to construct more than one parallel line (again, given a fixed point and line beforehand).

[Enters Laughing]

@SacredKnowing

On a sphere, the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line, and spacetime is distorted by mass so that the shortest distance between two points is curved.

Hence there are non-Euclidean triangles.

[SacredKnowing]

@Enters Laughing

You are equivocating line with geodesic. What is depicted on the right diagram are three geodesic. By Euclid's first postulate, a line is the shortest distance between two points, and in absolute geometry all theorems following from the first post late hold in all possible models.

[Ikite iru]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NpvpYTUSdQ0

I think she resembles Jack from WSS

[Ikite iru]

@Enters Laughing the guy in your signature looks a lot like Vsauce

[qaz00]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NpvpYTUSdQ0

I think she resembles Jack from WSS

C-SEE-Fi, Jack ILE>EIE

[Ikite iru]

@Enters Laughing

[qaz00]

@Enters Laughing

EIE

[Ikite iru]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQ5LdpLzPk

It's almost like similar subtypes get along with each other

[Ikite iru]

@one: I have been slowly getting back into Billiards again after not playing for years (used to play at bars in my early twenties against friends of my siblings). I've watched a lot of videos with games of Efren Reyes (who is of course an IEI) in the past couple of days. It really seems to be almost a national sport in the Philippines, I wonder how much you know about him. He has a very likeable personality, no wonder he got famous (and I got hooked on the way he plays). Guess I will try to improve my skills a bit in the next months. I do sometimes dislike that I switch between my interests so much but what to do.

https://gemoo.com/tools/upload-video...76372031115264

[godslave]

If there is indeed 16 types, it is highly probable that each type has its own spectrum i.e an x number of ways for an individual to be that type. In socionics each of the 16 type images can be thought of as a picture within the type spectrum of each type. It's like a very short static sample of a much larger and longer waveform. You can think of each sociotype like a prism that would decompose the visual spectrum in different colors.

Imho, most people* with decent typing identification skills don't built more than two or three type images per type (core TIM (no subtype) + two subtypes). However when we use DCNH, and according to this , we might have a basis of 12 subtypes per types and certain number (?) of additional possible permutations. But that does not come even close to the x number of points contained in each type spectrum. One could think as each carrier of a TIM as the unique representative of his or her subtype.

As I've already said it in this forum, sociotypes are not the entire personality. Indeed, the personality is a unique iteration of an individual's way of being resulting of factors that, for the most part, depend of his or her biography. The sociotype is just one aspect of the personality albeit substantial. As a matter of fact, "Sociotypes" (an SHS nomenclature) are closer to the Temperaments (general behavior) than TIMs which deal essentially with the metabolization of information aspects.

Consequently, it is possible that a significant amount of people interested in typology might indeed share the same type. Let's face it, most people don't even know about typology and wouldn't care if they did anyway !

# @Ikite iru is right !

* Btw, each time we say "most people" we are talking about ourselves from our "superego" functions. It's another way of saying "I am led by society to think/feel/sense/intuit [information related to the superego IEs]". That's something to keep in mind imho.

Edit 2 : Reframed the first part of the second paragraph about type images and subtypes.

[one]

@one: I have been slowly getting back into Billiards again after not playing for years (used to play at bars in my early twenties against friends of my siblings). I've watched a lot of videos with games of Efren Reyes (who is of course an IEI) in the past couple of days. It really seems to be almost a national sport in the Philippines, I wonder how much you know about him. He has a very likeable personality, no wonder he got famous (and I got hooked on the way he plays). Guess I will try to improve my skills a bit in the next months. I do sometimes dislike that I switch between my interests so much but what to do.

https://gemoo.com/tools/upload-video...76372031115264

Oh yeah I agree he could be IEI. Maybe he’s just super focused on games though, because he is never constantly in the news because of random shenanigans unlike other players/personalities here.

[one]

Hm now that I think about it I hate being too focused myself. Offering life to something or being passionate feels bad to me lol though when I wanna be competitive or fixate for some time I can, but they have to end up part of my life like it’s just a random habit. Idk if it’s related to type/subtype though.