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[Metamorph]

Welcome to the Literally ****** thread! Post everything ****** and Nazis, preferably from an anti-****** and Nazis POV.

When This German Artist Tried to Use His Work to Warn About ******, the World Ignored Him. It's Time to Listen
****** as Artist
The Artistic Side of Adolf ******

[Adam Strange]

I read a story about ****** that may or may not be true. It stated that when ****** was a kid, he and some friends tied a goat to a stake and ****** urinated into the goat’s mouth. The goat returned the sentiment by biting off one of ******’s testicles.

After starting WWII, ****** discovered that one of the friends who had witnessed his adventure with the goat and his subsequent personal loss was now a general and had related the story to some acquaintances. ****** had the man sent to the Russian front, where he quickly became a casualty.

I think this falls into the category of “using your public position to settle private scores”. Good thing this never happens nowadays.

[Dauphin]

How can we be sure that he even existed??

[Adam Strange]

How can we be sure that he even existed??

Great question. What information, or whose word, would convince you, one way or the other?

[Metamorph]

How can we be sure that he even existed??

Because everyone is way too obsessed with him.

[Dauphin]

Great question. What information, or whose word, would convince you, one way or the other?

How am I to know whether the sky, the earth, and all other external things are not simply illusions placed upon me by a Jew?

[Adam Strange]

How am I to know whether the sky, the earth, and all other external things are not simply illusions placed upon me by a Jew?

I hear that question all the time. How DO you know?

[Metamorph]

Why are we obsessed with the Nazis?
For a time, ****** was seen as comic
The master's voice

On Nazism:
Epic Pooh
Epic Pooh-Pooh
'Wotan' by Carl Jung (1936)

[xerx]

I really liked Zizek's take on ****** vs. Stalin

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

The entire thing with ****** just reminds me of the old saying 'When we do shitty things in life we don't think we're not righteous, we think we're in the right.'

When people take action to correct a perceived wrong, most often that action is actually much worse than whatever the perceived wrong was. When ****** killed jews he didn't see himself as a campy villain with horns destined to be mocked on every modern TV show, he saw himself as doing something for the Greater Good - ridding the world of manipulative villains who pervert and exploit others.

When people electro shocked/lobotomized gay men to try and cure them of homosexuality, they didn't see themselves as the bad guy- they thought they were doing right.
When people made black people slaves, sit on the back of the bus, and made their voting rights only 33rd that of whites- they didn't see themselves as the bad guy. They thought they were doing right.
Torturing people in prison? Same thing. They are in prison, so they must 'deserve it' right- and how the guards are treating them in prison ends up being way worse than anything they did to get there.

No person on this earth knows what justice really is, they only think they do- and they are wrong. They are only blind to their own vengeance. We are all filthy. So when we try to play God or somebody that 'corrects' others - of course horrid things are going to happen.

Humanity's way to stop evil: Act 15 times more asshole than whatever the original sin really was, and then gaslight yourself into thinking that makes you righteous.

This sort of thing is still going on to this very day. Perhaps not as extreme as WWII - but it's happening constantly, all around us.

It's not just ******, I think - it is a trait of humanity. The ****** in us all.

[Metamorph]

I really liked Zizek's take on ****** vs. Stalin

Congratulations on almost making me respect Žižek.

[Grendel]

I read a story about ****** that may or may not be true. It stated that when ****** was a kid, he and some friends tied a goat to a stake and ****** urinated into the goat’s mouth. The goat returned the sentiment by biting off one of ******’s testicles.

"fill me up, ****** senpai UwU"

[Ave]

An interlude in the Absolute Elsewhere.

[Muddy]

[xerx]

Rhymes with @Hitta

[Metamorph]

****** Was a Christian


To be fair, I don't think "Christianity" was at fault since Christians squabble all the time, but relevant.

[mfckrz]

****** Was a Christian


To be fair, I don't think "Christianity" was at fault since Christians squabble all the time, but relevant.

Pretty well-established that the Nazis were virulently anti-Christian, and keenly interested in asserting a 'Germanic' secular religion drenched in blood & soil paganography:

Christianity remained the dominant religion in Germany through the Nazi period, and its influence over Germans displeased the Nazi hierarchy. Evans wrote that ****** believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to coexist, and stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science. According to Evans: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition." Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope, and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs,' abortions in black cassocks.'"[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...s_Christianity

[Metamorph]

Pretty well-established that the Nazis were virulently anti-Christian, and keenly interested in asserting a 'Germanic' secular religion drenched in blood & soil paganography:

Christianity remained the dominant religion in Germany through the Nazi period, and its influence over Germans displeased the Nazi hierarchy. Evans wrote that ****** believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to coexist, and stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science. According to Evans: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition." Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope, and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs,' abortions in black cassocks.'"[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...s_Christianity

Because a secondhand source who is a priest cited in a society where Christianity is still dominant and other religions stigmatized is so much more valid than firsthand cited quotes from Mein Kampf, Nazis, and ****** himself.

All the fascist countries were Catholic too. Why does no one dare to say this? Germany was the only mainly Protestant fascist country but Bavaria was wealthy and Catholic and "Austro-Bavaria," the result of the Anschluss, would've had more political influence than the three Protestant regions of Germany combined due to wealth and landmass.

[mfckrz]

Because a secondhand source who is a priest used in a society where Christianity is still dominant and other religions stigmatized is so much more valid than cited quotes from Mein Kampf and ****** himself.

Mein Kampf was a political treatise catering to the sociocultural preferences of the time. Not like he was going to come out swinging with anti-Christian rhetoric therein.

[Metamorph]

I'm not saying ****** was a "real" Christian, but he wasn't a pagan and I'm not taking one priest's No True Scotsman over the entire recorded history of fascism and the Catholic Church. Nazis were cultural conservatives who wanted to capitalize on an opportunity for Rome to finally take Germania after it was weakened, basically.

[Ave]

From the article Mrfckrz posted:

Nazi ranks had people of varied religious leanings. They were followers of Christianity, but were frequently at odds with the Pope, which gave an anti-catholic veneer to the party. They were also antisemitic and considered paganism and other forms of heterodox religious beliefs as heresy.
There was, however, some diversity in personal views of Nazi leadership as to the future of religion in Germany. Anti-Church radicals included ******'s personal secretary Martin Bormann, paganist Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg, and paganist occultist Reichsführer-SSHeinrich Himmler. Some Nazis, such as Hans Kerrl, who served as ******'s Minister for Church Affairs, pushed for "Positive Christianity", a uniquely Nazi form which rejected its Jewish origins and the Old Testament, and portrayed "true" Christianity as a fight against Jews, with Jesus depicted as an Aryan.^[9]

From what I've read on the subject, Himmler was much more anti-Christian and into the occult than ****** was. It's not clear what ****** believed in terms of religion (Christian or Pagan), if it mattered to him at all outside of propaganda.

[Metamorph]

From the article Mrfckrz posted:



From what I've read on the subject, Himmler was much more anti-Christian and into the occult than ****** was. It's not clear what ****** believed in terms of religion (Christian or Pagan), if it mattered to him at all outside of propaganda.

Although politics is messy, I still think you shouldn't trust Wikipedia, like my teachers always said. In fact, ****** seems to be more trustworthy than Wikipedia. No wonder schools tell you not to use it.

[Ave]

Wikipedia is usually accurate, but it's not the end all be all especially if you're trying to research something in depth.

Teachers don't like it because some students think they are doing high level research by copy and pasting from wikipedia, though I had one teacher do exactly that in his curriculum.

[Sol]

It's not clear what ****** believed in terms of religion (Christian or Pagan)

One of the main traits of what ****** did was antihumanism. It's against basic idea of Christianity - the universal and altruistic love to all people. His formal relation to some mysticism is not important.
****** followed the idea that hate to people is the best way to improve their life. This hate was concentrated on "inferior" races, nations, individs, which were described as not-enough-humans and so were set outside of common morality, as should be removed physically as weaker ones to leave the place for better ones. The idea that the competing between people is only good philosophy to improve them and their life. Personal traits and such power above others - the ideal. He was the individualist in the core, the follower of Satanistic ideology. Christianity is accented on higher cooperation, on the collectivism and the emotion of love related to this.

It's important to note that ****** hated communism, - the ideology which is based on collectivism. Despite what he did inside own state had many of socialistic ideas - so in this he was ideologically close, but hated somehow. All can be understood if to take that ****** was individualistic ideology follower. His first serious opponent appeared to be USSR, while capitalistic states did not opposed much - their elites (capitalistic mostly) have betrayed own nations quickly, as ****** was not against them and what those represented - aristocratic rule. USSR of that times and until mid 1960s was different, there was much of real democracy and equality, - that was the basic idea of the communism.. and Christianity.
Practically, ****** was created by West elites (which with capitalism were individualistic ideology supportes) to fight against spreading of communism and USSR as its center. There is much about who helped ****** to get the power in Germany and resources for the war. USA, Britain and West Europe have rised ******, despite minor and formal resisting to him later. Until 1941 year there was no meaningful opposing to ****** from anyone and the pick of this opposing starts in 1944 when USSR have pushed ******ists beyond own borders and have started to spread own and communistic influence. The influence to oppose which ****** was supposed from the start.

****** could to claim himself as follower of anything. On practice he was Satanist. As all West elites are and the ones who accept individualism as own morality.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Adolf thought Christianity was weedy and probably corrupted from what Christ taught, and that Christ was an Aryan who was against the Jews. He was certainly anti-church and used Christianity for his own ends.

[Socionics Is A Cult]