Type this strange grifter:
Belle Delphine
Type this strange grifter:
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“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
“Grifter”? That normally implies tricking someone. I don’t think her customers/viewers are being tricked out of anything. She’s an intelligent businessman, but she’s no more dishonest than any other actor or Youtuber.
As @hag said though, SEI.
I consider her a grifter personally and I don't like to use the term loosely either because she sells useless products at a high price. If she's not a grifter then at best she's an opportunist that saw an easy way to make money off of desperate guys with her physical appearance and quirky personality.Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Something like 20% of the American economy is accounted for through finance, insurance, real estate, and leasing; that is, producing no useful services, but making money on money. This woman is at least offering a tangible benefit to weirdos — by almost any standard (but especially the standard of our time) she’s making a more than honest living. Also, you know, by your reasoning jewelry vendors are also grifters. Jewelry is no more objectively “useful” than whatever this woman sells.
Anyway, here in Ameristan, we call opportunists who find ways to make money off people ‘captains of industry.’ She’s more respectable than most.
What's the tangible benefit of a $2,500 per month patreon subscription though? Sure, $30 for a small jar of useless bath water won't really hurt anyone's pocket book and if people want to buy it then that's their choice. Giving her $5 a month on patron is basically the same idea as well, if you're a fan and want to support her and get more content. However, if someone is paying thousands of dollars thinking they're getting something useful when they're clearly not then it goes beyond trying to make money via capitalism at that point:
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Again, she doesn’t advertise anything beyond what people get. If people are donating to her, presumably it’s because they like her content, yes?
One may as well ask why the wealthy donate to museums when they don’t get any ‘tangible benefit’ from it. You’re missing the point entirely. Patrons of art get recognition and fuzzy feelings. Patrons of Belle Delphine get sexual pleasure.
What kind of sexual pleasure? For $2,500 you get nudes and her phone number at most apparently. You can get a high end escort for much less than that and look at nudes and porn for free. If you are arguing people donate large sums of money to her because they want to support her as a fan and get little in return as a form of charity then sure I'll agree with you on that.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
weirdo
I think she might be an extrovert (for sure) and a thinker
I looked it up and no I never used one before lol. Heh, if people see her as an opportunist rather than a grifter then I get where they're coming from.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Why an extrovert?
Because she does anything for attention and to get a reaction from others. I don’t know why she would be an introvert.
Attention-seeking isn't related to extraversion, and you're forming this judgment from her stage presence -- an actor's job is to grab people's attention.
Again -- how is she more of an 'opportunist' than any other businessperson? "Opportunist" has pretty negative connotations.
Once again, no one's being tricked or ripped off, and she doesn't promise anything she doesn't give for the money.
Not SEI.
Alright, so going by this definition, would you consider Jordan Peterson a grifter or an opportunist? Or is he an opportunist like any other businessperson? The reason I mention him is because his behavior is not that different from Belle Delphine other than being involved in a different realm.
If she is not SEI, what type do you think she is?
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
I don't know much about her, but I'm thinking Gamma. Alpha seems completely wrong IMO. She's quite entrepreneurial, and is obviously putting on an act.
@Raver, Peterson passes himself off as knowledgeable in philosophy, history, and biology, and uses this impression to sell mainstream social conservatism with a misogynistic twist to disgruntled young men who feel they've been hard done by. His first step into fame and fortune was intentionally misrepresenting a Canadian bill and asking for donations to fight it, tapping into the outrage culture of the right and making tens of thousands of dollars through it. This is actually a grift.
I agree. LIE > SEE > (ESE)
I think she could be an EIE. I find her pretty amusing, but I haven't spend much time analysing her.
You think everyone is EIE.
How is that a grift? He is not forcing anyone to do anything. He just sounds like any other opportunistic businessman to me. He is a qualified professor of psychology at a university with a P.H.D. His main selling point is helping young men improve their lives psychologically, which he is an expert on.
He does delve into other aspects and gained fame with identity politics, but his books and main focus are based on psychology, his area of expertise. Calling Belle Delphine a businesswoman and Jordan Peterson a grifter a pretty big leap.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Peterson is involved in an MLM insurance sales grift.
How is Belle Delphine a grifter? She is not forcing anyone to do anything. She just sounds like any other opportunistic thot to me. She is qualified hot. Her main selling point is selling herself and her disgusting bathwater to perverted neckbeards with no self-respect, which she is an expert on.
Link it up.
I hope you understand I worded it that way intentionally, lol.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
She just copies what some other female youtubers/on Twitch are doing, just with a little twist. Don't see anything entrepreneurial about that. Also, what if what she's doing isn't someone else's idea (boyfriend)?
Anyways, she's so much SEI as they come.
That's an absurd typing. LxE or SEE obv.
to people that type her as SEI: have you ever read a type description of SEI? how is she using Si as base function...
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SEE was the second option I thought of. Se valuing for sure imo.
I know you're being intentionally obtuse, but anyway -- I didn't say that Peterson assaulted anyone; just that he deceived them. That's what a grifter does.
His expert advice all boils down to "conservatism improves mental health."His main selling point is helping young men improve their lives psychologically, which he is an expert on.
Do you consider it a psychological statement to call women "dragons of chaos"? Because that is the type of psychology he peddles.He does delve into other aspects and gained fame with identity politics, but his books and main focus are based on psychology, his area of expertise. Calling Belle Delphine a businesswoman and Jordan Peterson a grifter a pretty big leap.
On the other hand, what exactly do you find dishonest about Delphine?
.................. what?
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I don't have an opinion on Belle Delphine.
1 She V.I as SEI
2 A SEE would have much more presence, be much more grounded, don't act so silly and doing weird things on camera, which are obviously more a product of a Ne valuing mind.
3 I can immediately recognize my supervisor, and she isn't one. I can also instantly recognize my beneficiary, and she is.
Her movements are always soft and gentle. Se egos aren't like that. And she isn't an Fe lead as you think; watch her in the second video posted. Where Fe leads are constantly engaged with people/the audience; establishing a social atmosphere, this is secondary to her. She pays much more attention to the room and stuff than engaging with the audience, making an engaging video, whatever. Also, anecdotally, her movements and expressions remind me of most female SEIs I've known -- so as @Marep says, she V.Is SEI to me.
Ni I find difficult to describe/associate with particular movements, but I don't think there's any reason to believe that she shows it.
@Raver
I think she's NF type, actually. I really (REALLY) don't see the Si base - but a lot of strong Fe, so ethical. Maybe Beta NF? I'm unsure, but i'm fairly certain that she isn't SEI.
Also, i disagree (with my albeit very shaky VI) that she VI's SEI. SEI usually have slower, calmer dispositions. I think she looks closest to IEI.
I'm suprised that so many people on this website use visual identification as a typing method. it's a very dubious approach in my opinion.
I would have to agree. I usually just do it for fun. I find VI often differs quite a lot from the actual type.
Sure - but so is determining any phenotypical result. It never actually reveals the source.
where?! she just smiles and shakes her butt. yeah. very gentle.. watch her bedroom tour, she violently approaches every object she touches, slams the doors of the dolls houses, launches stuff around, mistreats objects.. not soft and gentle
she's very much Se, to me, using her body to sell.. quite the prototype of a gamma SF (I think she's ESI-Se)
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