IR test (by Sol)

**Sol** · 09-02-2017, 08:48 PM

Groups with numbers are people of one type.
When watching examples, evaluate your intuitive impressions from their nonverbal - how generalized image from people of one type corresponds with the criterion of your "psychic comfort and friendly sympathy", rather than personal alienation.
Use examples only of other sex, >= 3 examples per type (if the quantity allows), for every example watch >= 2 clips, every clip for several minutes with good seen face. The more you'll watch, the more correct will be generalized impression from the type. Note: for types' sorting use only the criterion above, not sexual or romantic interest.
Arrange all 16 types in order corresponding to the criterion from the most to the least. Don't select groups of types - full sorting of all types is needed.
When comparing types don't think for long time, - make the choice by intuitive inspiration.
Watching and sorting of types can be done in several days, but in the last day of the final sorting you need to slightly refresh the impressions of previously watched types.

Don't open(!) the key until you'll finish the sorting of the types. Only then it's acceptable to see what types correspond to the numbers. After opening the key and until the end of the analysis, you should not rearrange the types.

**Sol** · 09-02-2017, 08:49 PM

**Sol** · 09-02-2017, 08:49 PM

Methods of analysis and secondary sortings

Key

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Test is useful as secondary typing method.
If you want to share your results with the use then you need to give me your video-interview so I'd could to check the correctness of your type.

Don't post anywhere on the forum numbers of the key of this test! Only the types.

**Sol** · 09-02-2017, 08:50 PM

@Aylen @Minde @summerprincess @Myst @daisyshadow @Subteigh @Fay ...

**Sol** · 09-02-2017, 08:50 PM

reserved .

**Simo** · 09-02-2017, 09:33 PM

sounds like an interesting way to type. have you used it with others irl or other forums? if so how accurate would say is this test?

still I noticed many videos aren't in English for example I didn't see any English video in group 2 so should we just skip it or wait for new videos?

**Myst** · 09-02-2017, 09:49 PM

I'll try to look at this (I'm 100% sure on my typing btw if that helps).

**Minde** · 09-03-2017, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Sol

@Minde

But I haven't given you video...

**Aylen** · 09-03-2017, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Sol

@Aylen @Minde @summerprincess @Myst @daisyshadow @Subteigh @Fay ...

This could take me weeks to do! It's like you are giving me a job.

**Socionics Is A Cult** · 09-03-2017, 09:07 AM

@Sol is it ok if we just order the groups in terms of preference?

**ooo** · 09-03-2017, 11:52 AM

Wow.. this was interesting indeed... it took me a while to watch all the videos of the boys, and in the end I got a real common vibe between the people of those groups, with my surprise, I guessed their types most of the times!! I've only watched the boys and recognized mainly one of the 2 functions...

I didn't recognize my type at all, and I was way off with SLE, that I thought were Fi lol... EIIS, IEIs, and LSEs I've found kind of boring to watch.. the ones I liked the most were ISTJs and ENTJs, ISFJs too, the others left me quite indifferent..

I liked that it wasn't in English, so I could focus more on the overall vibe, although it even gets boring soon because you have no idea of what they're on about... My attention even started to fade after the first 6 types, and my scores too.. very interesting anyway

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Minde

But I haven't given you video...

Video would be useful. You may sort without it, but if results will not fit to theory than the possibility of wrong type will stay unclear.

Originally Posted by Aylen

This could take me weeks to do! It's like you are giving me a job.

Think about this like about game. If you'll get IR fitting to INFP - we have won.

If not - you'll stay with pleasant memories.
I'm trying to find the way to prove duality hypothesis. Probably, you take part in a history moment.
About 3 days should be enough to do the test without overstrain - ~2 hours per day.

Originally Posted by Myst

I'll try to look at this (I'm 100% sure on my typing btw if that helps).

ISTJ seems ok for you. The result will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Subteigh

is it ok if we just order the groups in terms of preference?

1. the sorting should be done by recommended way by the criterion above
2. to understand how the method works I need the video. it's not obligate as if you'll get IR fit to current type version - you should notice this. but as the test is raw - the noises may make the result not so clear and it would be useful to check what is real type. also sometimes I got strange results - not random, but strange (like some placed at top types similar to their own and disliked opposite club including duals/activators/etc).

Originally Posted by hybris theory

I guessed their types most of the times!

you may name types where our opinions have matched

> I didn't recognize my type at all, and I was way off with SLE, that I thought were Fi lol... EIIS, IEIs, and LSEs I've found kind of boring to watch.. the ones I liked the most were ISTJs and ENTJs, ISFJs too, the others left me quite indifferent..

If you'll send me by pm video-interview, I'll can understand the results. The format of types sorting is a simple sequence of types through commas.

> My attention even started to fade after the first 6 types, and my scores too..

It's better to take a rest when you become tired during the testing.

**maniac** · 09-03-2017, 12:37 PM

@Sol you are probably a 1 in the Enneagram.
Here are some advice for you:

Learn to relax. Take some time for yourself, without feeling that everything is up to you or that what you do not accomplish will result in chaos and disaster. Mercifully, the salvation of the world does not depend on you alone, even though you may sometimes feel it does.
You have a lot to teach others and are probably a good teacher, but do not expect others to change immediately. What is obvious to you may not be as obvious to them, especially if they are not used to being as self-disciplined and objective about themselves as you are about yourself. Many people may also want to do what is right and may agree with you in principle but for various reasons simply cannot change right away. The fact that others do not change immediately according to your prescriptions does not mean that they will not change sometime in the future. Your words and above all, your example may do more good than you realize, although they may take longer than you expect. So have patience.
It is easy for you to work yourself up into a lather about the wrongdoings of others. And it may sometimes be true that they are wrong. But what is it to you? Your irritation with them will do nothing to help them see another way of being. Similarly, beware of your constant irritation with your own "shortcomings." Does your own harsh self-criticism really help you to improve? Or does it simply make you tense, nervous, and self-doubting? Learn to recognize the attacks of your superego and how they undermine rather than help you.
It is important for you to get in touch with your feelings, particularly your unconscious impulses. You may find that you are uneasy with your emotions and your sexual and aggressive impulses—in short, with the messy human things that make us human. It might be beneficial to keep a journal or to get into some kind of group therapy or other group work both to develop your emotions and to see that others will not condemn you for having human needs and limitations.
Your Achilles' heel is your self-righteous anger. You get angry easily and are offended by what seems to you to be the perverse refusal of others to do the right thing—as you have defined it. Try to step back and see that your anger alienates people so that they cannot hear many of the good things you have to say. Further, your own repressed anger may well be giving you an ulcer or high blood pressure and is a harbinger of worse things to come.

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by maniac

Sol you are probably a 1 in the Enneagram.

Rather general for teacher roles. Thanks, anyway.

> get into some kind of group therapy

duality "therapy"

**User Name** · 09-03-2017, 01:36 PM

I'm quite skeptical about this way of testing.

First of all, I find it very uninteresting (it's not meant as an offense, just my impression). Actually, I prefer to test ITR in real life, which is more effective (and useful). I mean, you should interact with others rather than watch hours and hours of boring YouTube videos. That way, you can also practice your Socionics skills (typing others, discover which IE is being used). Also, we can't tell if people in the videos are correctly typed. This makes everything even more complicated.

**ooo** · 09-03-2017, 01:49 PM

I wish I could upload a picture of the page where I've written my impressions, but my technology level is a bit compromised lately so I can't.

It's rather long, I didn't focus on what types I thought the groups would be, I just wrote next to each boy I saw what element they resembled most, and what impressions I had of them. Then I added a smiley next to each group, with the vibe Ihad of them... I've given 3 moods: happy, sad and neutral.

Happy moods were for ISTJ only. Sad for INFP, ISFP, ESFJ, and ISTP. All the other were neutral...
I've added 2 hearts next to people I liked best, for their poses, one was ISTJ, the other ENTJ.
Most cool people were the INTJ, I really thought "how cool is he!", with each of them, but I don't really enjoy that too much.
I would have never suspected I could think of Fi to look like Se, but all the comments to the ESTP I have are just saying "Fi", and despite that, they didn't really give me much of an effect.
I though as well that ISFJ were ESTP lol, I really liked the grumpy vibe of the guys in the videos and I wrote Se next to all the ISFJ.
I've put a lot of "boring" comments to INFJS lol

**maniac** · 09-03-2017, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by User Name

I'm quite skeptical about this way of testing.

First of all, I find it very uninteresting (it's not meant as an offense, just my impression). Actually, I prefer to test ITR in real life, which is more effective (and useful). I mean, you should interact with others rather than watch hours and hours of boring YouTube videos. That way, you can also practice your Socionics skills (typing others, discover which IE is being used). Also, we can't tell if people in the videos are correctly typed. This makes everything even more complicated.

I watched the videos and the people that are supposed to be the same type are pretty different (i'll think one example is okay, then the other hell no), but on the other hand all of these types listed are similar. Like sp/so's. There's 0 social lasts there. Probably no 4 or 5s. All just average, boring people. I think that's Sol's style. Boring and average.

**Chae** · 09-03-2017, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

Use examples only of other sex (which causes romantic passion)

This won't stop us gays

Idea's okay but step yer overall game up my friend.

**Chae** · 09-03-2017, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by User Name

I'm quite skeptical about this way of testing.

First of all, I find it very uninteresting (it's not meant as an offense, just my impression). Actually, I prefer to test ITR in real life, which is more effective (and useful). I mean, you should interact with others rather than watch hours and hours of boring YouTube videos. That way, you can also practice your Socionics skills (typing others, discover which IE is being used). Also, we can't tell if people in the videos are correctly typed. This makes everything even more complicated.

Ex! Act! Ly!

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by maniac

think there is a perfect match out there for everyone that is going to "save" you.

What I think is duality as strong factor for good love relations and for possibility to give psychic support/correction in them, what would allow people to "live with more full potential" and happier. While bad IR will suppress your potential.
My experience (personal and of people I typed) fits IR theory good, that's the main reason I like the typology. While skeptics need experience of good and bad IR for comparision to understand duality theory.
Besides duality, not bad for relations are activation, semi-duality. Other IR are significantly worse and some are just hard.

Interesting thing is, partly similar ideas to your Enneagram text was recently said to me by ESI girl. There is some sense.

Originally Posted by hybris theory

Happy moods were for ISTJ only.

There is a possibility of F extraverted type for you.

Originally Posted by Chae

This won't stop us gays

I've noticed that people of different sexes may be perceived differently by the used criterion. People of own sex are perceived as soul friends in lesser degree, while as colleagues in more. As this may affect the sorting, I've entered that condition.
For how test works on "gays" I have only hypothesis of analogy, which I used in the recommendations.

Originally Posted by reverie

I wish I didn't know what any of their types were.

You may use the test even when know what types are there. This only will need more honesty with yourself and better to watch more clips/time to get similarly correct result. IR will work, anyway, - they are objective.

> I posted one before and it seemed you were leaning ESI for me then.

I remember that got rather mixed impressions from you. Base Fi was and stay as leading possibility.
You remind me Russian actress which is often thought as ESI - Valentina Telichkina (1, 2)

**Simo** · 09-03-2017, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by User Name

I'm quite skeptical about this way of testing.

First of all, I find it very uninteresting (it's not meant as an offense, just my impression).

offense taken

maybe this way of testing isn't very reliable since one person may like some of type x and hate the rest, also maybe the subject isn't interesting, etc. however I think @Sol is trying to filter out those NTR issues by you watching more videos since in average you should give a higher ranking for good IR than that of bad IR

the problem is as you said there is no interaction since videos only offer a one-sided delivery so you don't actually judge the friction between you and the one on the video, instead you intuitively judge whether or not you think there would be a good/bad friction based on your past experiences with people with similar vibe but since I read that from a distance a conflictor is more attractive than a dual, then your intuitive judgement may not really be trustworthy as in by watching videos you like your conflictor but if you interact with them you would go for a dual.

but even though I am skeptical I still think it is interesting

That way, you can also practice your Socionics skills (typing others, discover which IE is being used).

the problem here is you may link certain actions with the wrong IE or type & then your future typings will be based on a wrong association. I think when trying to type others irl one should be with an expert to act as a measurement tool for your skills and provide feedback about the things you seem to have trouble with so you will avoid making wrong associations
but I don't think it is a very practical idea, I mean it is not like socionics experts are available everywhere

Also, we can't tell if people in the videos are correctly typed. This makes everything even more complicated.

they may not be typed correctly, but since they were typed by the same person the typings should be consistent in some way at least

Originally Posted by maniac

I watched the videos and the people that are supposed to be the same type are pretty different (i'll think one example is okay, then the other hell no)

I think @Sol focus mainly on the nonverbal clues only, so maybe if you try to type them while considering the verbal as well you will get different typings.

I haven't really watched more than 3 videos (first few seconds each) so far, so I don't know

**huiheiwufhawriuhg** · 09-03-2017, 07:44 PM

@Sol I like the idea but I'm super busy these days finishing my dissertation so I'll take a look at it when everything's finished.

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Fay

I like the idea but I'm super busy these days finishing my dissertation so I'll take a look at it when everything's finished.

There are no limits of time. Wish you luck with the dissertation.

@Andreas
Please remove the table as it opens the key if will be writen types behind those numbers. Without opening the key it's impossible to make analysis in your situation.
Instead - make a simple list of types sorted by your ranks.
Also you may make a video to understand your type, not just to say where point your IR with the examples.

**Chae** · 09-03-2017, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

I've noticed that people of different sexes may be perceived differently by the used criterion. People of own sex are perceived as soul friends in lesser degree, while as colleagues in more. As this may affect the sorting, I've entered that condition.
For how test works on "gays" I have only hypothesis of analogy, which I used in the recommendations.

... yeah and my name is Robbie Rotten and I live in Lazy Town. Greetings! We actually don't have these types of false assumptions and faulty testing methods in our city. Please visit!

Okay the gays are a hypothesis but for heteros it's perfectly clear how it works

I'll wait until ya sorted your stuff out! You better work honey. You better work.

**ooo** · 09-03-2017, 08:29 PM

@what's your type Andreas?
@Sol, this was one of the best socionics test I've ever seen, congrats for bringing it up!

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chae

We actually don't have these types of false assumptions and faulty testing methods in our city

Make video, I'll say your type, you'll do IR test and ONLY then you'll get basis to decide about its quality.
Until you'll create typing theme with your video-interview, there are no reasons to discuss IR test with you. Your type may be other than you think.

> for heteros it's perfectly clear how it works

Works like I said: people of own sex are sorted lesser close to IR theory.

Originally Posted by hybris theory

this was one of the best socionics test I've ever seen, congrats for bringing it up!

If results of people typed by me will be close to IR theory - then not bad test. In many cases sortings are strange. If clips were better then results could be better, I suppose. At now, even not all combinations of type-sex fit to recommended minumum.

**Chae** · 09-03-2017, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

Make video, I'll say your type, you'll do IR test and ONLY then you'll get basis to decide about its quality.
Until you'll create typing theme with your video-interview, there are no reasons to discuss IR test with you. Your type may be other than you think.

> for heteros it's perfectly clear how it works

Works like I said: people of own sex are sorted lesser close to IR theory.

Nope! Robbie Rotten: out.

**ooo** · 09-03-2017, 09:23 PM

Yep Sol, you need to improve this, add some English videos and more varied scenes, it's boring to see most of those guys talking alone about god knows what... eheh, after 2 one is done!

**User Name** · 09-03-2017, 09:29 PM

@Sol

I hate your way of being "superior" to all of us. And I'm still waiting for evidence that you're more "competent" than the majority of people here. What I've seen so far is someone who types people by gut feeling and isn't able to explain his decision. It sounds like some kind of unhealthy Ni Lead who is pretending to have super powers. And my Ni Demonstrative just can't stand that.

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by hybris theory

you need to improve this, add some English videos

The language for nonverbal is not important, the words will only distract.

> and more varied scenes, it's boring to see most of those guys talking alone

Boring is caused by similar conditions - this helps easier to see the difference and to feel the common. Also you lesser distract on external stuff.

**Myst** · 09-03-2017, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Simo

the problem here is you may link certain actions with the wrong IE or type & then your future typings will be based on a wrong association. I think when trying to type others irl one should be with an expert to act as a measurement tool for your skills and provide feedback about the things you seem to have trouble with so you will avoid making wrong associations
but I don't think it is a very practical idea, I mean it is not like socionics experts are available everywhere

Maybe wrong associations but you can correct them when you notice inconsistencies. You just have to be up for refining things ...and eventually go beyond Socionics's framework

**Myst** · 09-03-2017, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

The language for nonverbal is not important, the words will only distract.

> and more varied scenes, it's boring to see most of those guys talking alone

Boring is caused by similar conditions - this helps easier to see the difference and to feel the common. Also you lesser distract on external stuff.

Is it a problem if I only watch one clip per example? You linked only one clip for each and it's not always easy to find a second one, apparently.

**Simo** · 09-03-2017, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Myst

Maybe wrong associations but you can correct them when you notice inconsistencies. You just have to be up for refining things ...and eventually go beyond Socionics's framework

But most people don't like (or even fear) re-examining their understanding
It is not very pleasant to admit you were wrong so many avoid considering that they could be wrong specially if they had that biased understanding for a long time their pride doesn't let them admit being wrong I guess

**Sol** · 09-03-2017, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Myst

Is it a problem if I only watch one clip per example?

Any violation of recommendations is a problem. It will unpredictably reduce the validity of the testing.
I prefer to type with several clips by nonverbal info - it's based on my experience where impressions differ with lesser possibility with the more clips I saw. Here we have similar situation - you are using nonverbal for reading info related to a type.

> You linked only one clip for each and it's not always easy to find a second one, apparently.

Every link leads to a clip on a channel, - you may open other blogger's clip there. It's not so hard.

**Myst** · 09-03-2017, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

Any violation of recommendations is a problem. It will unpredictably reduce the validity of the testing.
I prefer to type with several clips by nonverbal info - it's based on my experience where impressions differ with lesser possibility with the more clips I saw. Here we have similar situation - you are using nonverbal for reading info related to a type.

> You linked only one clip for each and it's not always easy to find a second one, apparently.

Every link leads to a clip on a channel, - you may open other blogger's clip there. It's not so hard.

Eh, I ran into the issue of not finding another clip pretty early on. But I'll just skip the ones that don't have an easy to find 2nd clip, then.

And sure, I asked because I don't want to mess with the validity. (Not that I'm not skeptical but I don't mind trying to help with the project.)

**Myst** · 09-03-2017, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Simo

But most people don't like (or even fear) re-examining their understanding
It is not very pleasant to admit you were wrong so many avoid considering that they could be wrong specially if they had that biased understanding for a long time their pride doesn't let them admit being wrong I guess

True that some people don't like to face cognitive dissonance.

**ooo** · 09-04-2017, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Sol

There is a possibility of F extraverted type for you.

Ok... I don't know where I've read it but the idea anyway was that duals don't send an such an attractive vibe to each other? Like they can even ignore each other from a distance and only start realizing they're duals after much interacting...that's pretty much what happened to me with ESTJ videos, they're the ones I skipped fastest

**Sol** · 09-04-2017, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Myst

Eh, I ran into the issue of not finding another clip pretty early on.

On which bloggers? I always try to check is it hard to find other clips with good seen face on a channel. This should not take more than 1 min.

Originally Posted by hybris theory

I don't know where I've read it but the idea anyway was that duals don't send an such an attractive vibe to each other?

Duals/semi-duals have rather interesting and pleasant personality. The more interesting than duals are only conflictors, but they are trouble to deal close. I'm talking about duals of opposite sex.
If you'll place a video, I'll think about your type and you'll understand how duals affect you. Your behavior is closer to F-E types, you are not quiet and calm person - not phlegmatic what seems most I-J types are.

**maniac** · 09-04-2017, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sol

What I think is duality as strong factor for good love relations and for possibility to give psychic support/correction in them, what would allow people to "live with more full potential" and happier. While bad IR will suppress your potential.
My experience (personal and of people I typed) fits IR theory good, that's the main reason I like the typology. While skeptics need experience of good and bad IR for comparision to understand duality theory.
Besides duality, not bad for relations are activation, semi-duality. Other IR are significantly worse and some are just hard.

So what if you're in a relationship with your dual and your dual leaves you? You are helpless? Why do you think you need other people to change your behaviour when the only real way to do it is to decide to do it yourself. A therapist can help, obviously. But therapy has never helped me. I've gone to about 7 maybe. I like to think I'm very self-aware (and aware overall) and they only say generic things during therapy, usually. The most insightful things about myself I have discovered myself.

I guess that in your life there's probably some correlation between the instinct stackings (enneagram thing) of your relations, of which have been good and bad. And you have tried to fit these people into the socionics types. Which is what I mostly see people do; fitting people into stereotypes in how they "come off" (things unrelated to the functions) instead of actually seeing if they use this function or not. Intuition is definitely helpful in things as Enneagram but it seems irrelevant in socionics because there are a very limited amount of types and you're supposed to type people on whether they like cooking (Si) or like math (Ti). Which can be two extremely different people.

Also there's a huge difference between chemistry and compatability (and attraction). But by your logic you seem to think these are the same things and can all be solved by the godsend socionics.

**Sol** · 09-04-2017, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by maniac

So what if you're in a relationship with your dual and your dual leaves you? You are helpless?

If we have love my dual will not leave me until death.
Also love with dual will teach me do be effective in her strong functions, will balance my type making me lesser dependent from types of others.
Not more helpless than when I'd would left by human of other type who gave me pleasure. I'll just get common depression from the loss of important source of good for me. Well... stronger, as dual gives more of pleasure - such price is acceptable to be happier. It's better than to suffer for years with wrong pair, but have lesser back-hit if she'll leave. About a 0.5 - 1 year, I would come to norm [for average human], meanwhile it's doubtful there will no be friends/relatives to emotionally support me or inspiring deals to distract me from situation, and maybe later I'll find another dual girl if I'll wish.

> Why do you think you need other people to change your behaviour

It is much easier and more pleasant do be teached by experts like duals, than self-studing. Not only behavior...
Dual gives: 1) psychic support - you feel better, 2) help where you are weak, 3) teach you to be more effective and holistic by rising your weak functions.
You get this and loose nothing except deeper depression when you'll be like 70 years and your dual may die. Hint: marry on younger dual, if you affraid this too much.

> But therapy has never helped me.

If to exclude wrong diagnose and lame therapists, for many meds and methods, - they do not give 100% result for 100% of people. You may try other "therapy" - more natural, close relations with good (for you) people like dual. Try to establish love with pretty, smart and good (not self-centered) dual. This may help to harmonize the psyche to both, or at least to make you feel better because of pleasant relations.
Your type may to be EIE. I don't remember whether was your typing theme with video.

> The most insightful things about myself I have discovered myself.

You Self is limited by your type. About half of your personality is hardly integrated in your consciousness. You may understand yourself better under influence of your dual.

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