He is a Harmonizer subtype. That can create confusion. But imo he is LIE.
Any type can serm "introverted" because of subtype.
He is a Harmonizer subtype. That can create confusion. But imo he is LIE.
Any type can serm "introverted" because of subtype.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
He is clearly (INTJ) MBTI with that hyper focused vision (Ni) and building things externally (Te).
Huh. Now that you mention it, I just remembered INTj Sam Harris is Elon's friend. But I honestly don't know how much time they spend together, how close they are, etc. Still I tend to think extinguishers don't like to be friends so now I'm questioning LIE.Originally Posted by NAWTEASE
Gulenko: LSI who looks like ILE.
I don't have anything to say about his type.
Anyways, talk is filled with connectives and branches. Sensing base seems off due to his willingness to leave it for the algorithms to handle.
He is clearly streamlining the reality not explaining something "wtf scenarios". He clearly captivates the attention with tangible miniature visions regarding everyday practicality that are based on discovered things further to be optimized for specific needs. One theme is also expansiveness in the area of everything we can see. All in all he is quite mechanical in his approach.
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I still vote LSI. Still a good hunch.
He just doesn't jump up and say hey I need help navigating the hidden world of introverted feeling. I need help finding my connections to people in my life, I need help making sense of how I feel about things, how I should feel about things.
I know what he does is innovative and that makes you think "no way LSI can innovate cause they've got like weak intuition of possibilities", but its mostly about things that are already made: a roofing tile, an electric car, paypal, space rockets.
He has very excellent command of material flow. That for one makes me think of logical sensing person. I don't know exactly where he hit his head but it was good.
He is a person who does not fit in in a model. Some call it accentuation of IE (it is not DCNH).
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Jack London.
Those flamethrowers are just so cool lol.
LIE or ILE are the only types that make sense for him imho,
with that said, we might take the approach of dissecting his past romantic interests which are all actually quite peculiar (irrespective of type).
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If having peculiar past romantic interests is an indication of type, which type would that be? Because a lot of the females I've known have been peculiar.
I purposefully left that part of the analysis to someone else because I don´t really knowIf having peculiar past romantic interests is an indication of type, which type would that be? Because a lot of the females I've known have been peculiar.
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lone skum is a SEE
LIE probably Ni subtype.
His cognitive style certainly resembles SEE.
Anyways... LSI and See have both very material driven causal deterministic take on thinking. His S/N in this respect is more balanced than in SEE's.
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I think some types are slightly more suited for a variety of types/compatibility. LIE could be one?If having peculiar past romantic interests is an indication of type, which type would that be? Because a lot of the females I've known have been peculiar.
Do you really believe his life history makes sense for LSI? An introverted thinking type IJ temperament?
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Well, I don't type him under particular type. He seems to be logical and not sensing base.
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I agree that LIE's could be more likely than most types to date a variety of different types. We have 1D Fi so we don't really pay much attention to our feelings, but rather tend to make decisions based on logic. Personally, I married an SLI, which is a type that has nearly identical function dimensionality to ESI's, except SLI's have Thinking where ESI's have Feelings.
I've also dated every introvert in the Socion with the exception of SEI's, and I think I could live with any of them, if I personally respected them and they weren't too crazy. Now, fortunately, most of these women decided that they could not live with me, which pointed me by default towards duals.
I know quite a few LIE's in real life, and only one is married to an ESI. The rest are married to or living with logical types, except for one female LIE who has an SEE BF. I'd say that most of these marriages are unhappy in varying degrees, but LIE's have the uncanny ability to ignore their feelings in favor of some perceived, valued, outcome.
Until the moving van shows up in front of the house. Lol.
I type him LIE.
He is a workaholic who is unwilling to slow down, even if his health is affected he refuse to do less work.
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he's the NA- type from the NPA theory and yep, still a sensing type and as LSI-Se as it gets in this interview lol
my sense of that interview is Joe is a SEE throwing out Ne role a lot and Elon is like on another Ti level and its a little over Joe's head, although he's not stupid, Elon is expressing himself in a way Joe is not fully comprehending. That said Elon makes so much sense its insane. really good interview from the point of seeing Ti at work Elon was throwing out gold left and right if you know how to look for it. With Joe everything is some kind sound bite narrative and he bounces around a lot and Elon you can tell has a firm grip on whatever it is he responds with so can decisively comment in such a way that leaves little else to talk about. People perceive it as somewhat anti social, but its really because Joe is bringing up a lot of bullshit with no real substance. You can see Elon want to drift into Fe- as well, but Joe doesn't want to do it, he wants to maintain a festive atmosphere even when trying to be serious. it seems to me Elon would be better suited to a more philosophical conversation than a bunch of flyover social commentary. I don't dislike Joe or anything, but Elon is too sophisticated to put on a good show for him.. Elon talking to Peterson would be really interesting.. since they could do that Ni Fe thing, and even the discussion on judges, the law, etc would probably have gone a lot deeper, instead of like "how about these 2 really bad guys!!", you can tell Elon thinks far more globally and less sensationally
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Called it.
LIE is described as the literal most dynamic seeming sociotype in the entire socion.
This guy is a sensing thinker.
Imagine him writing White Fang, or Call of the Wild. Not likely.
Who do you think is a good contemporary example of LIE?
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Ok, he's not-ego, but what's the reason for him being
I doubt that Elon Musk is one-track-minded.
He started a lot of businesses and sold a few of them after a few years.
He ist very good at knowing when the time is right to start a new business. He started companies like PayPAL and SpaceX.
The idea to optionally equip a sports car (new Tesla Roadster) with rocket thrusters, if it's a idea of his own, doesn't sound
He is involved in too many different innovative projects to be
Voice of reason...I doubt that Elon Musk is one-track-minded.
He started a lot of businesses and sold a few of them after a few years.
He ist very good at knowing when the time is right to start a new business. He started companies like PayPAL and SpaceX.
The idea to optionally equip a sports car (new Tesla Roadster) with rocket thrusters, if it's a idea of his own, doesn't sound
He is involved in too many different innovative projects to be
This Elon Musk is LSI thing is really weird :s
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Just out of interest, what do you type as? (if you type as anything)
Fair enough.
Any number of the professional foresters I encounter daily. Will think on it.
Rogan as SLE gets benefited as per the Elon is LIE school.
I have to agree. A good recent example of "why he is not LSI" was his unworkable, unrealistic, attention-grubbing proposal to remove the trapped Thai cave boys with a submarine /pod. It was a "visionary" kind of solution, but in practice unworkable. It was not aligned to the physical limitations of the cave.
My husband (LSI) actually pointed out from the start how Musk had offered some submarine idea, and even though no details were available yet, since it was Musk it was bound to be something that wouldn't work, and Musk insinuating himself in the situation made him mad. He thought right away that the cave was too complex for that kind of solution and the rescue would need to be done in a hands-on way under the care of the people immersed in the realistic details.
So what is LSI (or even sensory) about a guy who jumps on Twitter to offer unrealistic solutions to a life-and-death situation, and what is Fi role about that guy jumping on Twitter and calling one of the people risking his actual life in the actual rescue effort a "pedo" and at first refusing even to apologize?
Having a hard time seeing it.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
I’m now leaning toward ILE for Musk.
The stuff he does is just too random and crazy. I can’t ever recall an LIE who spent a lot of effort to stay in the public eye, or who would commit to a course of action before being 90% sure it would work.
ILE was my first impression. I'm going back to it again.
Random and crazy - exactly. He's first and foremost an inventor.
I'm not used to working with model G and I've been fairly conservative and traditional in accepting anything other than model A, but this channel is very interesting, and sheds some light on alot of things.
Notice how ILE combines intuition of opportunities with practical logic, "innovative actions". Since Musk seems to be driven primarily by his love of anything new, and his actions are only interesting to him when they innovate, I think this fits him pretty well.
During his appearance on the JRE podcast he absolutely talked like a Te ego. Overwhelmingly so.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
If you have a Ne PoLR, one way to safeguard yourself from Ne PoLR hits is to standardize and automate. This way you ensure that there are no outliers, no unexpected events, no surprises. This way everything is linear and proceeds along the well-predictable course.Ok, he's not
Here we have Musk talking about organizing school for his sons:
Musk: "And making all children go in the same grade at the same time, like an assembly line."
"LSI - brings to automation, formalization, petrification." - source
So I'm still rather perplexed by how does anyone type Elon as Fi-valuing when he talks about his kids' education as if they are going to a factory.
It's also quite notable how his attitude opposes the program of his conflictor - IEE. IEEs search for the exceptional and the talented people, the outstanding and the outliers, and create conditions to foster and encourage that individual talent. The way Musk is raising his kids is by completely rejecting this from the very onset.
It's typical for Se-creatives to dabble in several jobs, occupations, projects, businesses, homes, etc. Especially if they have high temperament and irrational Se-subtype is accentuated. This isn't any sign of being Ne valuing and has been described in their type profiles:I doubt that Elon Musk is one-track-minded.
He started a lot of businesses and sold a few of them after a few years.
He ist very good at knowing when the time is right to start a new business. He started companies like PayPAL and SpaceX.
The idea to optionally equip a sports car (new Tesla Roadster) with rocket thrusters, if it's a idea of his own, doesn't sound
He is involved in too many different innovative projects to be
"Se as creative function in LSI (ISTj; Maxim Gorky) and ESI (ISFj; Dreiser) (Notable that both Ne PoLR types.)
These people have artistic and creative approach to handling power, money, and different skills. ...
His strength is flexible, sophisticated, it aims to be relevant to the situation. He can work effectively and quickly, sometimes doing several things at once. Great financiers, but prone to making risky moves, thus they can become rich and go broke several times during their life. .... If they have no opportunity to realize their second function, they can sometimes deliberately create a problem - fall into a very deep a financial or physical "hole", to then be able to work on getting out of it.
Can turn poverty into wealth anywhere. They can manipulate external data of other people. It is often useful to invite him to some business, because he knows just the right thing to do so that it will yield some real profit. Uses force creatively, knows when it is necessary to "tighten the screws" for his business and when it is necessary to loosen them. Works in teams from exactly such a position of creating the necessary balance of freedom and control over concrete situations.
Sometimes they are so clever in financial activities that can make money as if out of thin air.
They love to handle and manipulate forms."
source - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Dmitry-Golihov
This, again, is Se-creative. He's recombining different physical objects and physical properties to essentially design a Mad Max Fury style of car - trailer. We did type that movie as Beta/Gamma back in the day. Not sure what's so Ne about these Mad Max designs. They look thoroughly Beta with some crossover into Gamma. Neither is there anything exceptionally inventive or futuristic about putting a flamethrower on a car - attaching weapons to cars has been proposed and done before, so it's not some groundbreaking innovative motion. While having an interest and an aptitude for recombining different physical parts and physical properties is how Se-creative types are described, and this is what Elon is essentially attempting with his design.... The idea to optionally equip a sports car (new Tesla Roadster) with rocket thrusters, if it's a idea of his own, doesn't sound
Yeah he's more like a Ti Se combinator, the idea of rocket thrusters on a car is not a new idea. what's new is actually doing it, and Elon is using leverage via Ti Se to make it happen. new ideas would be like never before schemes. a lot of people mistake things they personally never considered when someone else does it as Ne, but its more like Musk was influenced by Ne, sure, but not exhibiting it himself. people view that as Ne if they don't realize a lot of the sources he's pulling from. in fact he's pulling from pre-existing ideas and frameworks and implementing them. in other words, anything personally new to someone is not Ne, although it may function via their own Ne process, Musk is pulling from a lot of stuff but he's not einstein or darwin. he's more like applying those ideas in order to create a concrete product, and not to make money (i.e. maximize profit for its own sake), so much as by way of market financing. in that sense he's got a deeply altruistic streak built into his ventures, which I think go a little under appreciated. people assume because he managed to build in a working financial model that was always the goal but I don't believe it is with him
I was just thinking of Einstein and Nikola Tesla, another ILE, and how their ideas where truly groundbreaking and warping the world in ways that many couldn't fathom. Musk seems like a talented and gifted engineer, perhaps with some Alpha influences, but what he is doing isn't really in the same realm of having 4D Ne. Talent and sophistication in engineering is more of an ST type feat. The Martian with Matt Damon (LSE) in the main role was a demo of that - trailer.
He said that when he did not have all the information.
Later he did in fact take into account that there are realistic challenges that he couldn't account for without "being there" on the ground.
When his option was mocked by his critics he threw a fit, which does sound like a hit to a Ne PoLR that has elicited a completely inadequate reaction out of him. The fact that he reacts so painfully to his proposals being shot down, a weak point that his critics immediately picked up, doesn't indicate a mature use of 4D Ne.
I got curious where this strong Alpha influence is coming from that is showing up in Musk - it's like he's trying to be an ILE but he's not making the cut: what Gulenko called his "ILE mask" - link. Then I watched an interview with his mother and she did sound like a possible SEI-Fe, his benefactor. While this doesn't fully explain his strong leaning towards Alpha, it could be that Musk is trying to carry out a "social request" from the Alpha quadrant as per benefit relations.
yes thats exactly my take on it as well. thanks for going to the effort to post all that evidence, all that stuff was running through my head but the idea of trying to refute every claim is a lot of work. but it really comes down to social request. he's just putting into action the ideas of alpha via his own social mission, as a good beneficiary should, of course it looks like ILE on the surface, he's the downrange consequence of that dyad in action. the reification of the dream so to speak
yup.
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Si polr fits him well, so does Te base paired with Ni visions, Fi DS as well
Elon Musk has a multiple socionics personality, that's the only reasonable explaination for the typing confusion.
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