How can someone with inferior Se or otherwise develop it?
By "Se" I mean Extroverted Sensing.
I'm an INTp / ILI.
How can someone with inferior Se or otherwise develop it?
By "Se" I mean Extroverted Sensing.
I'm an INTp / ILI.
There was a thread about this recently (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ngthen-your-Se) and another not-so-recently (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ng-for-Se-PoLR).
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
this reminds me of that 'secret life of walter mitty' movie.
Well, since your Se suggestive, everytime you sorta wanna do something or think you should but dont have the willpower to get yourself to do it... just do it anyway. Hilariously enough, it is the only way you can.
Practice makes perfect. If your Se sucks, its because you dont do it enough. Good luck Ni base user, your life will now be an existential crisis.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Develop Si first, so that your physical health and memory for sensory details is reliable. Then use Ni to envision a goal in mind, ignore any distractions (the realm of Ne) and take appropriate action (Se). The key is really Si, the role function for all types is a limiting factor in the development of the inferior function (dual-seeking function).
Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 09-26-2015 at 03:14 AM.
Se develops when you respond to the most striking aspects of the environment, firstly by looking at them. eg a bird flying over head. Turning your head as it appears, following its trajectory as it moves, moving your own body to stay in sight of it. If it's close, reaching out and touching it. Feeling the sensations internally will develop Si too, but it's hard to concentrate on both aspects at once unless the outer stimuli is perfectly in sync with the inner. So to develop Se specifically, it would help to ignore your inner reactions, including any pain and pleasure. Keep your focus external, and try to modify your inner preferences to be compatible with the external forms.
So, I'm supposed to keep myself totally detached from the inner world and try to become a passive observer of my own body? Or perhaps I'm supposed to just try and turn my brain off and allow my body free reign? Both sound rather difficult if not impossible. Can you put what you're saying in a different way that's more understandable/feasible?
No don't detach from your inner world totally (that's not possible anyway), just stay with the real object moment by moment without giving undue attention to changes in your inner world. Don't let your mind wander too much, don't go extrapolating on the meaning of what you're seeing and hearing, etc. just experience it, moment by moment. The greater external focus will help you judge your inner reactions more accurately, distinguishing between true physical responses (Si) from what is merely imaginative extrapolation (Ni), making it much easier to take appropriate action (Se). Also, to the same end, avoid making imaginative leaps in conversations or in decision making, stick to the facts, to the literal, use your senses to verify everything down to the last detail. Put more faith in physical evidence than in likely possibilities.
Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 09-28-2015 at 06:48 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
How do you separate the "chaff" from the "wheat" as it were? I mean, I'm the mirror of your dual here. I look similar, talk similar, and even think in similar terms. Yet my dual is your mirror. How do you tell the two apart? How do you zero in on my mirror when I'm still right there? These relations, so easy to make a grave error. How do you know that you've hit the jackpot? We can both easily fuck up here and if @Adam Strange and his experience has any weight we'd both ultimately make each other unhappy somehow. We were so close! Yet so very far away from the Nirvana of duality...
And the friend zone, how do you go about that? Inquiring minds wish to know. I'm sure I'm an E5 so yeah, feed me info, I can't not like that. I need to know... What went wrong?
By chasing experiences around. That's what Se is ultimately about: about acquiring stuff. Not only material, mind you. Here is how you strengthen your Se(it's not that you should, just act as you do):
STOP BEING PASSIVE! BECOME ACTIVE!
(and active active, not even reactive will do ie INITIATE stuff)
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
1. Fight or flight.
2. Generate explosive emotions.
3. Spin in circles till you're dizzy then run around the house trying not to hit anything very hard
3. Play fight with people (physically)
4. Drink coffee and Watch kung fu movies, preferably Jackie Chan.
5. Go to the shooting range
6. Go to the gym
7. Get mad
8. Do cart wheels
9. Turn on loud music and jump around
10. Have some sex's
11. Let yourself really really really want something, then go get it
12. Look at yourself in the mirror, stare into your eyes, and ask yourself, who am i? Be honest with yourself, what do i want, what makes me strong.
13. Do annoying things like bang on the table at dinner time
14. Get mad when people tell you what to do
15. Tell people what to do
16. Walk around scratching your back on any angular surfaces
17. Say everything that you think (avoid thinking really hard)
18. Demand that people hear your opinion
Lastly,
Yell really loudly.
I recommend only starting out with 5 minutes a day at first. Your tender heart probably needs time to adjust.
Last edited by carrina; 10-03-2015 at 06:22 PM.
And claim everything in your environment..preferable not to pee on everything, but if that's what it take, go pee in the yard. Do it.
Be more impulsive, less anxious. You have to stop doing what you naturally do, stop anticipating and following your vision.
Enjoy the present, each breath, each smell, taste. Leave your subjective realm and deal with what's in front of you.
Make decisions that you wouldn't make, experience ans seek the thrill of the moment. Appreciate the physical form of things around you, try to push yourself beyond your limits.
Don't give up on your dreams, fight for them even if you have to die for them.
Also, Yoga came to my mind. Would Yoga be Se or Si?