What makes this relation difficult at times in the work environment?
What makes this relation difficult at times in the work environment?
Not a great deal can make it difficult. It's been a very smooth relation in my experience, and I know quite a lot of ILEs.
Last edited by chriscorey; 02-05-2014 at 11:23 PM.
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According to Gulenko LIE as rationals, start making decisions hastily starting to form targets on how they want to solve their problem. Whereas ILE as irrationals, explore and try to look at the problem's many faces before finally fixiating on targets they feel are appropriate.
LIE don't really think about their actual solution intently since they focus on targets. ILE don't really think about the targets intently as they focus on the actual solutions.
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Last edited by Soupman; 02-06-2014 at 07:15 PM.
The relationship is not necessarily "difficult". If both types make regular use of their auxiliary functions, then both will be relatively adjusted and balanced psychologically. Generally with LIE's, I try to get out of their way and make myself a good intellectual resource. If they want my help, I'll let them come to me and entertain their sporadic desires for some Ne stimulus. It's all about letting them having control of whatever apparatuses exist in your shared environment, and then positioning yourself as a intellectual resource and generally keeping yourself neutral in social relationships. They will react poorly if you seem overly diplomatic, so make a few steady relationships with complementary types. That way they won't feel threatened by Fe positioning/conspiring/factionalization. Just be real and honest in your opinions and let them come to you on their terms. make yourself a useful resource; a point of open-minded project re-direction. You will find their intuitive side if you provide them with a steady, honest relationship. Both parties will advance from private, introverted discussion.
The end is nigh
I never had personal problems interacting with ILEs in a work or school-project environment - if anything, the relationship was fruitful. Yes, I rarely get along with people in their social circles and they rarely get along with people in mine, but thatīs besides the point.
Most kind of work interactions are about trying to find a way to execute a task or finish a project, so this problem is bypassed. I could imagine such conflict if a ILE and LIE were to start a business.According to Gulenko LIE as rationals, start making decisions hastily starting to form target on how they want to solve their problem. Whereas ILE as irrationals, explore and try to look at the problem's many faces before finally fixiating on targets they feel are appropriate.
@Maritsa: no, they are both extraverted positivist (democratic), so their role in a group is to be the "silly and joking" ones.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The problem there is simply that rationals and irrationals don't agree with each others course of action due to thinking in reverse.
For irrationals the finishing of the project is not really important but rather the process instead. You just care about the end results rather than the process so we rub each other badly. We ignore your targets when they don't align with our process whilst you ignore our process when it does not align with the targets you have in mind.
I've been good friends with an ILE for thirty years, and we recently started working together on a project that we both care deeply about and really want to do.
We can agree on almost everything and the work goes smoothly and is progressing in leaps and bounds, far further and faster than either of us could do by ourselves, but after working together for twelve or so hours a day, we both make excuses to do something else the next day. Even with having the same goal, we find the journey exhausting. And the stress that we are experiencing is not due to the difficulty of the problem; that's actually part of the fun. (We are solving problems together which would stymie either of us alone.)
No, the stress is due to some subconscious clash in our values.
It is subtle, and if I didn't know Socionics, I'd just attribute it to us being tired from the long days, but it's not that. It's the subtle, underlying difference in everything we value.
Working with ESIs makes me feel energized and eager to do more. Working with ILEs, no matter how much we accomplish, makes me feel exhausted.
My ESI interior decorator told me, when we were talking about her choice of a Ti-dom as a life partner, that she didn't want a Dual because they weren't active in the same areas that she was. Mountain climbing, for example. She said that she wanted someone with whom she could share her activities, and she didn't care that they didn't share her values.
She has that exactly backwards, and I predict that her boat is going to hit the rocks on the shoals before too long.
I've been working for months with the ILE whom I mentioned above, and it has been getting harder and harder to keep up our enthusiasm for working on the project, even though the project itself is intensely interesting to both of us.
Yesterday, I was thinking that we had come to the end of our respective ropes, because we are both thinking of ways to postpone working together.
However, in desperation, I looked for help on this website and found this: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...th-ILEs-ENTps?
Well, I can't provide "
"1. The way to the heart of ILE is through love, care, affection, as well as his or her stomach. I hope it is not necessary to explain this in detail?
And if you can choose for him/her the most impressive and comfortable set of clothing, that would make all his friends and associates compliment on how well it suits him or her, then you are simply a sorceress or wizard from a fairy tale.", but I can pretend that we are both just kids having fun on the playground, and when I did that today, things got a lot better between us.
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