Originally Posted by
poli
I don't really want to try to "explain" it to a great extent, because its mainly just how ISFJs are, so my opinion stands, on a foundation of obviousness. He's pretty serious, not emotively aware of himself or others, constant deep gazing to analyze one's internal emotion toward things to try to word them in a way that makes at least a little bit of sense, but is indifferent to others' interpretation, until someone "connects." Definitely not go-with-the-flow. Idea towards life is more along the lines of selfishness/don't give a crap about what anyone else thinks. I don't think he meant it in a bad way, either, just exactly how Fi-dom tends to be: emotional dignity must start and end with the self. Call them 'personal sentiments' if you wish.
I don't know whytf everyone has trouble typing IxFJs or Fi/Te people in general. Bob Dylan is another ISFJ. I think Johnny Depp seems a lot friendlier, being the same type and subtype, so iow "easygoingness is NTR."
His mannerisms personally remind me a lot of ISFJ James Franco--if you get a chance watch some of their movies or interviews.
There is something very odd to me about how you and galen type people. I type Bob Dylan as ISFj and see little similarities between either of them, saying Depp is a 'friendlier' version of Dylan is an over exaggeration to say the least. Their reactions and thought processes, as well as 'tones' in their interviews bare no similarities to each other. Dylan was angry, reactive, sarcastic and at many times hateful - he went towards confrontation, Se is very blatent. Contrast this to Depp, who shows little to no Se - is diplomatic, thoughtful, non-confrontational, and has generally keeps his thoughts to himself as much as possible. - although clearly having a 'different' view of the world, almost as if he is divorced from it, when he goes so far as to divulge his views.
Johnny advocating 'not giving a shit' is different than the interpretation you have conjured out of thin air. That statement is blatantly Fi-devaluing. There is a difference between advocating emotional dignity(Fi valuing) and advocating the dismissal of the opinions of others(Fi-devaluing). If anyone here has met a gamma SF who has the ability to dismiss the opinions of others, you have mistyped that person(or they have severe psychological problems, in which maybe even prescribing them a type is a stretch).
Depp actually referred & praised Marlon Brando, commonly typed as SLE (even by those at the socionix camp) for his ability to not give a shit - if his statement was indicative of Fi valuing, why would he praise an Fi Polr for their Fi?
He wouldn't, that makes no sense. As a side note, if you look around other boards such as MBTI, people commonly, and mostly, type Depp as a perceiver. While socionics is different, they all make a note of Depp's unpredictable and unstable nature - if you have read any of his history you would know there is nothing that indicates him liking or living a stable sort of life. He was supposed to be a musician, but ended up as an actor on a whim, his life was a current he ended up riding. Nothing suggest rational. He likes unusual experiences and got into a lot of mischief when he was younger.He has basically lived according to how he wanted to, his choices in roles and whole professional career illustrate this. This also makes Te DS an equally ridiculous suggestion for him - he places a high emphasis on individual meaning(Ni) with a blatent disregard for facts/efficiency(Te) or evaluations of good/bad(Fi). The way he goes about choosing roles is all about what the role means to him and how he feels about the part (look up how he decided to take his pirates of the carribbean). He has neglected Te (rejecting the major roles that were offered to him he could have had a lot more cash, more opportunities, and been a much bigger star earlier in his career) to such a degree (and conciously, might I add) that placing it as a valuing element of his is a stretch to say the least
Quotes:
"With any part you play, there is a certain amount of yourself in it. There has to be, otherwise it's not acting. It's lying." (NiFe)
"I don't speak French at all, but I can say "The peanut is in my belly button" in French. I think it's good to learn absurd things in different languages. If I meet someone who barely speaks English, I love to teach them the most obtuse things, like "Eat my shorts." In German I can say, "My father's a bullfighter" and "I am a watermelon." That stuff amuses me."
(Te de-valuing, Fe valuing)
"Things in life are not always as they seem. When you listen, for instance , to someone talking there is another voice beneath his words.. Even if you hear clearly what he is saying The real truth is much deeper"
(Ni)
"I pretty much try to stay in a constant state of confusion just because of the expression it leaves on my face."
(way to ignore Fe, johnny! )
"Whether that picture was good or bad... what they could never take away is that it was MY movie."
(Ni>Fi)
"My body is a journal in a way, where every tattoo means something, a specific time in your life where you make a mark on yourself."
(Ni)
"Marlon Brando is maybe the greatest actor of the last two centuries. But his mind is much more important than the acting thing. The way that he looks at things, doesn't judge things, the way that he assesses things. He's as important as, uh... who's important today? Jesus, not many people... Stephen Hawking!
"
(Just for reference to earlier)
"Im 30 different people sometimes. One day you wake up and you're somebody else, nowhere near who you were when you went to sleep. Unfortunately, I feel more comfortable in front of the movie camera than I do in real life."
(Dynamic>Static, Fe>Fi - This is an Fe dilemma, someone with Fe ignoring shouldn't have this problem)
etc etc etc
Also, galen, I discussed the facial composites you did with someone and they also concluded that it doesn't resemble anyone they know - using it for 'evidence' of a type is abit silly - especially considering that you may have typed those people wrong whose composities you used. Even looking at the pictures, depp gives off a very different vibe to me.
I would usually flesh this out abit more as it feels abit rushed, but its become so blatently obvious to me its feels redundant to post any of this up.