^_^

[Joy]

[tire iron]

Maybe ENTp 7w6...sp/sx or so/sx....3w4 is slightly possible...

[Joy]

IEI-Fe 4w3 sx/so

[Crispy]

Comes off as beta something.

[Ave]

ENTp?

[Krig the Viking]

Beta was my first impression. NF? Possibly IEI? But I would only attach maybe 40% certainty to that, without knowing more.

[Ave]

Beta was my first impression. NF? Possibly IEI? But I would only attach maybe 40% certainty to that, without knowing more.

Why though? He reminds me of Archon Alaron.

[Joy]

Why though? He reminds me of Archon Alaron.

Noooooo lol

[Joy]

He just inducted me into the Pen 15 Club... And no, it was not without a struggle. And yes, it was hilarious.

[eunice]

ENTp.

[Galen]

ENTp, Kevin Pereira subtype.

[squark]

He just inducted me into the Pen 15 Club... And no, it was not without a struggle. And yes, it was hilarious.

I thought at first this was another pic of him. You guys have a similar look.

[Krig the Viking]

Why though? He reminds me of Archon Alaron.

Just a general vibe from the clothing/hair and demeanour, which is why I don't give it more certainty than I do. 40% might even be overstating it.

I don't really know Archon well enough to make that comparison, or even to really comment on his type.

[Beautiful sky]

This guy is ESTj type Joy.

Take it slow, please. That's my only good advice. Take it really slow and don't get too serious too soon and look at all the red flags and don't avoid them.

[Joy]

I thought at first this was another pic of him. You guys have a similar look.

Lol. I'm way more "normal" looking than he is, though we're both characters.

He's most definitely Fe ego. Very emotionally expressive, very confident in his perceptions about the emotional and interpersonal perspectives on relationships. Says he likes to find the person in the room who will light up for him and doesn't mind making an ass of himself to entertain people or cheer them up. But don't let the fact that he's a hyperactive clown fool you... his overall approach is still very "go with the flow", and there's NO WAY IN HELL he's got strong Te, haha. He's extremely bright so it was difficult at first to determine his type because he's good at things that you wouldn't think people of this or that type (depending on the thing he's good at and the type being considered) would be good at, but if you look at where his primary focus lies it's on Ni and Fe. Se valuing is less apparent than Fe ego, but it's still there. When he's stressing about something, it's either practical things or things where he's not sure he's got the "power to do" to get what needs to get done done. He gets overwhelmed by problems easily and tends to handle it by tuning out if there's not someone there to be like, "Whatever, this is so not a big deal. All we've gotta do is *insert logical course of action here* and this'll be handled." I tend to stress out a lot because I don't understand interpersonal issues I or we are faced with, and he always understands the situation... people's feelings and motivations. He stresses about how to implement the required solutions though because he doesn't like conflict or confrontation. Once he explains the internal dynamics of the situation though, it's easy for me to be like, "Alright, don't worry about it. I've got it covered," and then I'll go deal with it. We make a really awesome team in every way.

Evidence of contradictory traits that make him an atypical representation of an IEI include his high energy levels (not all the time by any means, but when he's being playful). He's into extreme sports type things, for example. He can be pretty reckless. He's a classic textbook example of ADHD, but he still spends a lot of time being inactive (more so than me) and on introspection.

Here's a video of him playing with my son, my honorary son, and my honorary son's brother:

And he's the one on the right in the beginning of this video: Day 1 Studio Video by Latchkey Kid - MySpace Video@@AMEPARAM@@http://mediaservices.myspace.com/Services/Media/Embed.aspx/m=54945968@@AMEPARAM@@mediaservices@@AMEPARAM@@mys pace@@AMEPARAM@@Services/Media/Embed@@AMEPARAM@@aspx/m@@AMEPARAM@@54945968 (that band isn't together anymore though)

If anyone happens to be interested in his music, here's the myspace page for the band he used to be in. He was the lead singer (and played various instruments). The first song and last songs are the ones I like the best. He's singing both the melody and the harmony on the first track on the list. The last track was 100% improvisation that had accidentally been recorded by someone else when they were just jamming in a studio. The back up singer's voice was added to the track later. Latchkey Kid on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

[Gilly]

Ew, quit preying on children half your age already; this kid looks like he doesn't even shave yet. Running from your fear of aging will only make it worse.

[Beautiful sky]

Lol. I'm way more "normal" looking than he is, though we're both characters.

He's most definitely Fe ego.

You don't know this for sure because, as socioniko site said, people often look like their role function.

Very emotionally expressive, very confident in his perceptions about the emotional and interpersonal perspectives on relationships.

This emotional expression may come with Fe role function, expecting Fi to establish a bond to relieve the stress on this function, which he apparently has because he's talking about it so much.

Says he likes to find the person in the room who will light up for him and doesn't mind making an ass of himself to entertain people or cheer them up. But don't let the fact that he's a hyperactive clown fool you...

Any type, especially Fe role can do this; ask and converse with Fe ego types like Redbaron and Rubicon and you will see that they are not like this...clownish, as you are observing, to get a good comparison.

his overall approach is still very "go with the flow", and there's NO WAY IN HELL he's got strong Te, haha.

That sounds like living in the moment, much like Extraverts.

He's extremely bright so it was difficult at first to determine his type because he's good at things that you wouldn't think people of this or that type (depending on the thing he's good at and the type being considered) would be good at, but if you look at where his primary focus lies it's on Ni and Fe. Se valuing is less apparent than Fe ego, but it's still there. When he's stressing about something, it's either practical things or things where he's not sure he's got the "power to do" to get what needs to get done done. He gets overwhelmed by problems easily and tends to handle it by tuning out if there's not someone there to be like, "Whatever, this is so not a big deal. All we've gotta do is *insert logical course of action here* and this'll be handled." I tend to stress out a lot because I don't understand interpersonal issues I or we are faced with, and he always understands the situation... people's feelings and motivations. He stresses about how to implement the required solutions though because he doesn't like conflict or confrontation. Once he explains the internal dynamics of the situation though, it's easy for me to be like, "Alright, don't worry about it. I've got it covered," and then I'll go deal with it. We make a really awesome team in every way.

Evidence of contradictory traits that make him an atypical representation of an IEI include his high energy levels (not all the time by any means, but when he's being playful). He's into extreme sports type things, for example. He can be pretty reckless. He's a classic textbook example of ADHD, but he still spends a lot of time being inactive (more so than me) and on introspection.

Here's a video of him playing with my son, my honorary son, and my honorary son's brother: Login | Facebook

And he's the one on the right in the beginning of this video: Day 1 Studio Video by Latchkey Kid - MySpace Video (that band isn't together anymore though)

If anyone happens to be interested in his music, here's the myspace page for the band he used to be in. He was the lead singer (and played various instruments). The first song and last songs are the ones I like the best. He's singing both the melody and the harmony on the first track on the list. The last track was 100% improvisation that had accidentally been recorded by someone else when they were just jamming in a studio. The back up singer's voice was added to the track later. Latchkey Kid on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

I get what you mean; LSE are very expressive, fun, blah blah blah; Te is in how they organize their surroundings. Look at how he likes to control his environment. They don't like to control other people and tell them how they should live their lives, but they do get upset when people don't do as they want when they live in the same space with them. You, being Se ego and ignoring Si will definitely get on his nerves to a very violent end. Please don't pass up what I say. Just take it slow and ask him questions about how he likes to do things.

Early relationships don't show compatibility well because two parties in it go for the things that are superficial, like fun and excitement and all those things that make life a little seemingly stress free and jovial or joyful, but the real stuff is right under there and pick good questions to ask. I would start with control, rage, and Si related to get you to look at what's under the fun and delve into the serious things. Discovering things earlier will make things easy for the long run.

Good questions to ask:

1. Do you like to control things around you, like your living space and how things are run?
2. When people don't pay attention to what you tell them, how do you react?

[Joy]

Ew, quit preying on children half your age already; this kid looks like he doesn't even shave yet. Running from your fear of aging will only make it worse.

He's 28, dumbass.

You don't know this for sure because, as socioniko site said, people often look like their role function.




This emotional expression may come with Fe role function, expecting Fi to establish a bond to relieve the stress on this function, which he apparently has because he's talking about it so much.




Any type, especially Fe role can do this; ask and converse with Fe ego types like Redbaron and Rubicon and you will see that they are not like this...clownish, as you are observing, to get a good comparison.



That sounds like living in the moment, much like Extraverts.

I get what you mean; LSE are very expressive, fun, blah blah blah; Te is in how they organize their surroundings. Look at how he likes to control his environment. They don't like to control other people and tell them how they should live their lives, but they do get upset when people don't do as they want when they live in the same space with them. You, being Se ego and ignoring Si will definitely get on his nerves to a very violent end. Please don't pass up what I say. Just take it slow and ask him questions about how he likes to do things.

Early relationships don't show compatibility well because two parties in it go for the things that are superficial, like fun and excitement and all those things that make life a little seemingly stress free and jovial or joyful, but the real stuff is right under there and pick good questions to ask. I would start with control, rage, and Si related to get you to look at what's under the fun and delve into the serious things. Discovering things earlier will make things easy for the long run.

He's most definitely not LSE. LOL

If he's not IEI, then he's some other Fe ego type, no doubt.

Good questions to ask:

1. Do you like to control things around you, like your living space and how things are run?

His answer to this would be "LOL what? Why would I want to do that?"

2. When people don't pay attention to what you tell them, how do you react?

About what kind of things? Usually he doesn't tell people what to do unless they ask what he thinks. Sometimes he tells people what he thinks is going to happen, and then when he's right later he just gets quiet and sorta cranky and like "I knew this was going to happen". He may wish people would have listened to him, but he knew they weren't going to anyways so didn't really even try to make them. That's what I'm there for, lol. When he expresses concerns about something I hear him out and then do what needs to be done (or see that someone else does). More often it's just that I notice that he's not being his usual playful self and tell him to tell me what's up, and then we talk about different options... and then I make it happen. Or tell him how to make it happen.

[Beautiful sky]

Do you know how to distinguish between weak Ni and strong Ni?

[discojoe]

Ew, quit preying on children half your age already; this kid looks like he doesn't even shave yet. Running from your fear of aging will only make it worse.

Here comes the big three O!!!

[Joy]

His answer to this would be "LOL what? Why would I want to do that?"

Actually, there are things in his environment that he likes a certain way. Like he doesn't like it when his roommates leave nasty old dishes laying around. He doesn't bitch about it to them though from what I've seen so far. He just waits until he's in a mood to take care of it, then once he starts cleaning up one of his other roommates pitches in and helps.

[Beautiful sky]

Actually, there are things in his environment that he likes a certain way. Like he doesn't like it when his roommates leave nasty old dishes laying around. He doesn't bitch about it to them though from what I've seen so far. He just waits until he's in a mood to take care of it, then once he starts cleaning up one of his other roommates pitches in and helps.

Those things, honey, I don't want you to overlook and ignore or avoid. That is order and that is a part of Te.

[discojoe]

Those things, honey, I don't want you to overlook and ignore or avoid. That is order and that is a part of Te.

[Beautiful sky]

Dj; is there something you would like to talk about? I'm all ears.

[discojoe]

Dj; is there something you would like to talk about? I'm all ears.

I think you have a slightly off-kilter grasp of English that is causing you to misinterpret descriptions of information elements and formulate false dichotomies between Te and Ti.

[Beautiful sky]

I think you have a slightly off-kilter grasp of English that is causing you to misinterpret descriptions of information elements and formulate false dichotomies between Te and Ti.

Te-methods, how to do something
Ti -systems.

any time someone uses How then it involves methods, it involves Te.

[discojoe]

Te-methods, how to do something
Ti -systems.

any time someone uses How then it involves methods, it involves Te.

That's a shitty and barely comprehensible description.

[Beautiful sky]

That's a shitty and barely comprehensible description.

There are so many Dj; I hope you don't expect me to pour them into this thread.

[Beautiful sky]

Joy, stability is extremely important to LSE types. Especially stable relations; less so for Fe valuers. I would ask questions with this regard, but I'm not sure how you can phrase it [as I would need the help of my Te dual in order to figure that out ].

I don't mean to get paranoid and jump all over unforseen future possible {/} troubles, but just be prepared and get some good questions to ask.

[tire iron]

Says he likes to find the person in the room who will light up for him and doesn't mind making an ass of himself to entertain people or cheer them up. But don't let the fact that he's a hyperactive clown fool you...

Evidence of contradictory traits that make him an atypical representation of an IEI include his high energy levels (not all the time by any means, but when he's being playful). He's into extreme sports type things, for example. He can be pretty reckless. He's a classic textbook example of ADHD, but he still spends a lot of time being inactive (more so than me) and on introspection.
later.

7w6 so/sx imo...Seen it a thousand times...

Very emotionally expressive, very confident in his perceptions about the emotional and interpersonal perspectives on relationships.

It's not unlike a 7 to be 'very confident' in their perceptions, period...There's a difference between the confidence of socionic functions versus the instrinsic confidence that comes from having a high opinion of one's ability...

F over t isn't about being emotionally expressive either... Feelers can be very intellectually expressive in an unemotional way. Plenty of INFps like that.

[redbaron]

Actually, there are things in his environment that he likes a certain way. Like he doesn't like it when his roommates leave nasty old dishes laying around. He doesn't bitch about it to them though from what I've seen so far. He just waits until he's in a mood to take care of it, then once he starts cleaning up one of his other roommates pitches in and helps.

This seems more Si to me, than Te? but gosh it could be anything. Si role or heck, doesn't everyone get annoyed with nasty old dishes laying around?

[Beautiful sky]

If I'm not wrong, Te is usually associated with "what", and Ti the "how".

Ti+Se= How to do something (concrete and practical)
Ti+Ne= How things work (abstract and theoretical)

Just a simplistic way of differentiating.

Give an example of What so that I can see the contradictions.

[Beautiful sky]

What things do, doing things in the most effective manner to quickly get from A to B. Te+Si would be more immediate, Te+Ni in the longer term.

That's one way I look at it.

Yes, but that still emphasizes how something should be done as in the method to do it effectively. There is no contradiction between what you are saying about Te and what I'm saying.

[Joy]

heck, doesn't everyone get annoyed with nasty old dishes laying around?

That's what I thought, lol.

[Beautiful sky]

There is a difference between how Ti+Se works and Te+Si works. One is a combination of method and action, the other coordination and steps. This probably isn't a very good nor accepted explanation though. Perhaps others would be able to provide better examples.

Te Si works by finding the most efficient method; by efficiency it is meant that they find one single method to do something with the least amount of steps, conserving the most amount of energy and action per time; Ti Se does not do this, they ignore TeSi and are far less efficient and if you look at it they are inefficient and make many steps to do one task. I've tried to explain this to Dj but for some reason he can see the difference.

If a person is Te, they ignore Ti and vice versa. TeSi is the one with combination of method and action; this is why I wrote how to do something, efficiency, method. That is why I used the word method and here you are using the same word with description of TeSi, hence no contradiction between what I am saying and what you are saying. There's nothing to compare.

LSE set the energy, flow of task, from the beginning and are efficient because they work out a routine in their minds; LSI do not do this they have like a check list doing as much as they go along because of the influence of Se, being both detailed and doing much like an energizer bunny. This energy working of Se types puts a lot of stress on me because it demands too too too much energy and focus from me, which I can not provide, because I need an energy saving and efficient method that Te produces.

[Blaze]

for some reason i thought EIE.

[Joy]

for some reason i thought EIE.

Not impossible, but I'm not seeing a Si PoLR at all. If not IEI, then SEI.

7w6 so/sx imo...Seen it a thousand times...

I considered that. Then we went clothes shopping. 4w3 all the way.

It's not unlike a 7 to be 'very confident' in their perceptions, period...There's a difference between the confidence of socionic functions versus the instrinsic confidence that comes from having a high opinion of one's ability...

That sounds more like me than him, lol. He doesn't just spout it off like he knows what he's talking about and you should listen. The tone is more of that of observation unless it's about something serious.

F over t isn't about being emotionally expressive either... Feelers can be very intellectually expressive in an unemotional way. Plenty of INFps like that.

I know. I know a couple IEI-Ni's like that. It's not just confidence in Fe though; it's his primary mode of expression. And even though he's EXTREMELY bright, he most certainly does not have strong Te or Ti. (It's cute. <3)

Anyways, I don't really care about what type he is that much tbh. I sorta just wanted to show him off a little cause he's friggin awesome, haha.

[sarinana]

That's what I thought, lol.

I don't. It takes me approximately one week to notice those dishes anyway... But yeah when I notice I get annoyed and start cleaning everything not only dishes.

[Gilly]

SiFe

[discojoe]

He definitely looks like the kind of person who will die young. Should be interesting.