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ENTp
INTp
INTj
ISTp
INFj
ENFp
Other (please explain)
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Last edited by cinq; 10-08-2010 at 12:07 AM.
I agree with Pinnocchio on INTp
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Why? Explain with your knowledge. Also, you've claimed your mom to be INTp - what are the comparisons.
Edit: I'll qualify this to say I'm not trying to be antagonistic. If you have a storehouse of knowledge and you've made many claims of this, this is your opportunity to showcase what you know, and you have your experience with your Mother to draw from. I'll be open to what you provide (but be prepared I may not agree).
Your values align with my mom's for education, compitence. She and her friend who are also INTp push their kids to succeed and are always woried about their success and what things they are accomplishing in school. Both have conservative values are not very material, especially extravegant with personal style such as manicures and peticures.
But I believe those things are also the same for ISTp as well.
With Ni you have to ask yourself how important is time and do you keep a strigent eye on it not only for yourself but for others? As in, does it upset you with others don't care about time?
With Si you have to ask yourself
"SEIs have a strong connection to and ability to recognize internal physical states in themselves and others. They understand how these states are reached and are able to easily recreate or avoid them if desired. They are innately drawn to situations that satisfy their inner physical needs and experience. They are usually skilled at the art of recreation, enjoyment, and positive aesthetic experience.
SEIs often feel that they are in a rush, both mentally and physically. Therefore, they can sometimes feel like they need to get everything done at once (which can be explained by the SEIs base and role functions). When an SEI starts a personal project, they often have the tendency to try to get concrete results in the shortest amount of time, which can lead to rushing and carelessness. This could lead to the SEI becoming stressed and overworked.
Often unable to express their feelings well using words, the SEI will instead create "art" (artwork, food, writing, or any other aesthetic situations) to illustrate the comfort or discomfort that they are experiencing internally.
SEIs try to make their living space comforting and appealing to the senses and strive to improve the lives of those they are close to."
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
my first guess would be INTP. But I'm not really certain.
You do seem to potentially have an Fe PoLR. You talk about intuition, and research, and that kind of thing a lot, plus you routinely test with N over S, right, so I'd kind of think probably ILI>SLI. The interest in photography could maybe point to SLI>ILI, but lots of people of various types are into photography and I don't think that's the strongest thing to type by. I think the overall picture seems more ILI. I don't think LII is an impossibility either.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I'm sorry to have mislead you here. I'm not really looking for advice because I'm lost and don't know my type. I'm more interested in a break down analysis - how members interpret various parts of the information I've provided. Simple hunches are sufficient too. But, for those who feel they are knowledgeable, if they are going to make a claim, it would be nice if they explained how and why they chose a certain type.
Thanks for the effort Maritsa.
You're welcome.
I noticed that you like art/photography, that would point to S types and you are very detailed and specific in your explainations. Pointing to some of the basics of Socionics, that would indicate S type.
You are kind and respectful, but rather hasety to make judgements sometimes and overlook important details based on vilation of your values...if you perceive people to have violated values...especially ones that go against humanly treatment of others.
Yet with theories you want solid proof; that's not very N like; N's love theory, even wild ones. Or, will at least pay attention to and openly recieve possibilities.
Although you seek out information and knowledge somehow you are open to more...Ne is rather such that new information is needed all the time, a constant stream in order for this function to survive as one at all. But Ne could be your activating function, that means you value it and seek it more so then others when it is activated. I don't see Ne in your ego block because then you would either have a dominent other function like Ti or Fi then use Ne for general picture building or have Ne as a constant stream where new, constant new is required. Hence, you do not make any mention of you needing new situations or linking any possible things together.
So my analysis, because I have Ti in my third spot, also acts to eliminate types for you much like how INTj would proceed to do so by eliminating contridictions on systems or type.
So far, you are not INFj or INTj, ENTp or ENFp.
And because I am both brain oriented I also look at statistics as well...
So far, by elimination of most N types. I would rule in S types, mostly because of your perceptive hobby or photography.
You seem somewhat not focus/work oriented and lazy? (no hard feelings please), because you don't submit your best work...that's more like ISTp. Mariella, would you not agree with this somewhat?
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-16-2010 at 10:45 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
OK baby issue there.
The reason I said that LII is not an impossibility is because it sounds like you have very strong Ti (charting, systems, etc.) and that is something that you seem to enjoy very much and therefore it might be an IE that you value. So I wouldn't throw that possiblity out. But then the fact that is a business venture could indicate Te, though I think that, as with photography, many people of many types are interested in making money for obvious reasons, so I wouldn't use that as a strong thing to type by either.
So generally I feel like ILI over LII, but I would not say no way to LII. Both types are strong at Ti and Te, and also at Ni and Ne, so you have to look at what is valued more than which of those are strong. But I would say that, which I wouldn't 100% rule it out, you don't seem to be SLI to me.
LIIs supervise me and I'm finding myself worried that I might have contradicted myself somewhere, which makes me wonder if I'm getting a supervision vibe from you. LOL. Maybe I'm imagining that.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Well, Ips are supposedly lazy, but it's something that can be influenced by where someone is in their life and what's going on with them, so you have to use caution when saying, "He says he's lazy, therefore he must be an Ip type."
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
You asked how people come to determine their own type?...Here's how I did mine.
I, as an EII, I can look a lot like LII, because I can have/make systems for doing things but unlike Ti, I am not as critical/analytical/justice focused, much more humanitarian and because of Fi, I am much more moralistic and entirely merciful.
I choose my type by objective VI method first, I gave people independent of one another to type me, if they got it wrong, all three that claimed to be experts in the field, then I was going to pursue something else, but they all got it right. So, then I kept a year long journal of me, wrote everything about myself and then had family and friends tell me what they thought about me and kept that in another journal; when I put the picture together it was EII.
I looked at my weakness first, thought of all the things I couldn't do and didn't want to do...it all pointed to Te.
Then I looked at my behavior that all pointed to Se PoLR
I also looked at my values.
My inventive nature and my humanitarian values...I have always, from early childhood, took up causes to help people, volunteer in places were people needed emotional help...like synagogues for survivors of the holocaust when I was a teenager and many of the other kids were busy partying...
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-16-2010 at 11:15 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
true, I coupled that with what I interpreted to be Si...thank you for correction to Ne. I suppose being an Ne, she sees much more possibilities then I do and is not confined to the J which pushes to make conclusions and move forward..
Just perception, I don't feel the Ti at all, he hasn't chosen any system to eliminate contridictions to...yet.
I get a lot of Te...you?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think your analysis is good, and I thank you for your input. I'm curious about your supervision vibe, so, we'll see how you feel as we progress in more interactions. You are correct about photography - people of various types engage in this activity. Some just point and shoot, while others go to the extreme and buy an extension tube for their telescopic lens just to prove they have a bigger penis. I'm of the latter camp, more or less. I'll go as far as to demonstrate my competence in macrophotography by successfully determining the right paramaters to photograph various tiny insect species to the degree of being able to identify the various types by the colour and position of their scales. It's not the details I'm interested in - it's the question of mastering the ability and competence. After mastering this, the rest becomes routine.
Why do you shoot insects?
Can you speak a little about your values?
ISFj or ISTj?
You mentioned missed opportunities:
" type with PoLR has a difficult time understanding ideas that seem new or novel, especially when it has no tangible effect on their lives. Leaving little to chance, they are able to plan out their lives for years ahead of time. This results in difficulties handling unexpected problems in their lives that put a halt on their usual pursuits, and they tend to fear all the possible "what-if's" when those problems prevent them from seeing a clear future. When unsure about something, these types can either avoid making any changes at all or making too quick and reckless of a decision, either of which resulting in missed opportunities."
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Exactly. I don't classify myself as being lazy. I work hard at accomplishing things. In fact, I've been handsomely compensated and recognized for achieving some key deliverables as work. But, there are definitely areas in my life where certain types would consider me lazy because I don't engage in certain 'conventional activities'.
"Some subjects require volumes of memorization - too much for me to process. I'm not a fast reader, and I like to take my time to digest the information and think about the implications and associations."
Thinking about implications information and digestion...can you answer what the purpose of you doing this is? What are you thinking on? To eliminate contridictions? or to gather new perspective and ideas?
What is a naturalistic humanist?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
There's enough above in my OP to help you out. But, I'll indulge..
I'll take you as my specimen. You are an oddity. I think you mean well, but truly out of touch. So, I have some sympathy and empathy for your situation. However, if I should find you in the midst of my lab environment, dead on an autopsy table for me to examine, I'd only be thinking about what I might discover and explore inside the when I open you up. I'd be really interested in dissecting the various systems and finding anomalies, and understanding the root cause. I may be tempted to goof around and cut the intestines and use them as a skipping rope, like I did with a cat's intestine in my high school bio class.
By the way, I love cats. I have two and love them dearly.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Well, view me however you see fit. But people can't come up with type like that...You don't have enough post so that I can see Ne come out all I see is S now. I don't type with words usually unless there's a lot of information to sift through. What do you want to be typed as? Why can't you type yourself just like INTp would?
You are mean, now, now I feel your Se. Mariella is feeling Ti and I am feeling Se; I shouldn't have doubted when she felt your Ti; we may be feeler types, but we are very sensitive you know.
SeTi That makes for ESTp. There I am done with it. i feel like you would tremble me with your Se if I proceeded any longer.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I like digging only to get myself out having known more then when I started digging. Don't you know that that is a tactic? But you wouldn't recognize that because most people who are educated, can't come close to the knowledge that N types can amass in their minds.
So You're an insinuating person who makes fun of people who can't tell what type he is by his writing about himself. You make fun of people and laugh at them and you make references of their fragile internal parts as objects and have no value for living things on an emotional level/empathetic. You claim that you do, but no one who valued life would make a reference of intestine being used as jump rope.
INTp would not be so hartless as you are neither would INFj nor INTj. ESFp, ISFp would not either. You can only be so crude to be a man of a T type.
ST type.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Just in case you were wondering..wink wink...I played at your emotions to see what they are like. Wink Wink.
You interact very well with ISTp's so my feeling, call it a hunch is,
I condsidered many possibilities based on what you wrote about yourself and your outlook on things. You don't seem to be afraid of Se and you are timid, though not social. Some I would eleminate for sure, especailly ISFj and INFj (Fi), ENFp, but I am not sure about ENTp.and ENTj, I would eliminate INTj, ESFj (Fe) and ENFj. I strongly feel the Se and Minde feels the Ti and I don't feel the TiNe, maybe she feels more TiSe
ESFp
ESTp
ISTj
ENTj
ENTp
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-17-2010 at 12:49 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-17-2010 at 01:04 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Thanks Suzzy I have a friend whom I interact with seldomly, but, when we do, we talk for hours. There are no boundaries to what we talk about, and usually it's about the abstract. It's an oasis - engages my imagination. I get that sense a similar potential between us. I'm not sure we are identical types, but, I sense similar and harmonious enough to get along well. And assuming we are both E5s, we understand our need for solitude, space, to engage our intellectual curiosity and creativity.
Last edited by cinq; 04-17-2010 at 01:24 AM.
Not sure either. I have actually 2 friendships of this nature. I suspect both are 5s. You made me think of the other friend who called me just a few days ago. We naturally drifted to a topic that in most circumstances, communications would have most likely been diverted or ended. In fact, I would not have discussed it with anyone else; I trusted he would understand and not think twice. When his daughter fell ill with leukemia, I visited him and his daughter at the hospital. We walked the grounds discussing her prognosis of 0.2 percent survival (or something of that level), it naturally hurt, but, we had no illusions fate would step in if prayed hard enough. We discussed it rationally and objectively, talked about the next steps in the 'treatment' strategy.
Maritsa, you sound like a bad fortuneteller.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Although I don't think I've interacted with you I do enjoy reading your posts and get the impression that you're indeed an ego so I voted ILI
Your posts tend towards concrete language and factual accuracy, such as using detailed and commonly excepted terminology rather than making emotional or theoretical assertions /
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
I think this is where we differ. I don't qualify these friendships as soulful sharing, and I wouldn't say we always know where the other is coming from. What makes the friendships interesting is the ability to exchange ideas and experiences that one would normally be able to share with others - ideas that would be considered unconventional/idiosyncratic. I mean, my time with them doesn't end contemplating the soulful experience. We may have great conversations, sometimes lasting for hours. But, I may not see them again for 6 months to a year, and live less than 1Km from me. We may randomly connect the next time, but, by no means do we seek each other out. Maybe this is an NT vs NF difference between you and me. Just a thought.