That's right, I felt that saying that was important enough that I came out of retirement to do so.
That's right, I felt that saying that was important enough that I came out of retirement to do so.
It's not so much about Ne, it's more about Ti, IJ temperament, and weak Se.
It's more silliness, that's what this is.
The only thing that doesn't fit is how so many people insist that he's Te/Fi valuing.
(But hey, they said I was crazy when I said that Bionicgoat wasn't EII, too. That's the most common response whenever one challenges the general consensus.)
Yea, I wouldn't want him in my quadra either.
The saddest ESFj
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The way he communicates is completely devoid of the discrete packaging that LIIs use.
He's blatantly Te. Talk to him some time, he speaks in massive tangential info dumps, much like I notice SLIs doing.
Hi Joy!
I don't know, I assume that he wrote the INTp type domain on the wikisocion, and if that's true, then he's almost gotta be whatever type I am.
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
you, my dear, are gamma. I read your posts, your signature, saw your picture, and finally derived your attitude and i think it's very appropriate. half of niffweed's posts are calls for attention using random shit from wikipedia that is completely out of place. 'it's so absurd it's funny,' but most of the time, 'it's so absurd it's .. well. it's something.' anyway this is highly indicative of alpha. bizarre, sometimes fun, and very exploratory. niffweed is probably, and definitely the sort of person who doesn't like other people judging him on a personal level. in general i find gamma people don't mind being judged on a personal level.
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Niffweed is a perfect example of ILI... He does not respond to Fe at all, (in my experience...) As I talk with him more, I grow to like him more and more... He's very sharp and sensible.
Gammas are still Minus Alphas.
Do you people even know any Gammas? God. They're dorks, just like we Alphas.
Likewise for Delta/Beta. I mean, how many times has Ritella been retyped as IEI? Srsly.
I'd say it's more a problem with this forum that Gamma gets lumped in with Delta, "only angrier".
No idea.I don't know, I assume that he wrote the INTp type domain on the wikisocion, and if that's true, then he's almost gotta be whatever type I am.
Does it speak more to strengths and weaknesses or values?
Sure. There are other examples. Take Sycophant, for example.
LOL/edit btw welcome back (assuming this is really Joy)
Thank you, but I'm not "really" back. Just stopped by to announce that I've settled on a type for niffweed, and I'm not generally one to "settle on" types for people. It's all gotta fit before I'm comfortable doing that. And in this case, it does.
Indeed.
As I talk with him more, I grow to respect him more.
He used to sort of bother me. Now that we've had a real conversation, however, I feel differently about him.
You don't "hold keys to the door made of money" but you must have some kind of ego to think you can "boot" someone you don't like from a quadra for being too silly (or random) which is basically what you are doing--that is your argument.
Even though I think his "jokes" are tasteless and dry, and I feel the urge to slap him whenever I read them... well yea I don't think he's alpha.
The saddest ESFj
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You guys have to stop worrying so much about quadra. Every type is very different, even within the same quadra.
I disagree with Joy's typing of Niffweed.
One of the most prominent things about Niff is how interlinked his impressions of someone are linked with his emotions about them. If he feels a certain way towards you, then that influences his impressions of you, and those impressions further support his feelings, and so continues the self-feeding loop. This is classic Ni+Fi.
Once he's gained these impressions/emotions towards a person, he will then deliberately ignore any information that doesn't support this, and when presented with information that contradicts his impressions, he'll either twist it in Ni fashion so that it no longer means what was meant, or he'll dismiss it as "irrelevant". Unfortunately, this is often the part that is used to support his supposed Ti-ness. But it's not his "Ti" that's doing this, it's his Ni seeing a pattern and whatever doesn't fit that pattern gets dismissed.
Niffweed seems to detest Ne. Perhaps detest is the wrong term...he doesn't respond well to Ne...at all!! And often derides someone's Ne as useless and stupid and meaningless. It's bad enough that when we do talk with each other, I have to go out of my way to suppress my Ne in an IM conversation with him (by deleting something before sending, as well as carrying on multiple tasks behind the scenes so that it doesn't pop up in the IM conversation as much). In order to partially get along with him, I have to suppress a major part of myself. (This differs from my convers with Alphas in that it's not Ne that is suppressed, but difficulties between the Ti/Fe vs the Te/Fi.)
The only potentially common ground we have for communications are shortened comments about nothing. I think, however, that if we actually had something in common to discuss, then it would give us something to build off of. But as of yet, we haven't found anything. And the few 'deep' conversations we attempted was filled with him completely twisting things I said so that it better suited his previous Ni'd impressions of me.
I also think that if we were actually communicating eye to eye, in person, (assuming we could find a topic to talk about), we'd have an easier time. I think that it would be a relatively easy thing to convince him to go along with some activity, even though he'd label it as useless or uninteresting or such. I can easily see the potential for Ep-Ip interactions between he and I...in person.
I run into similar problems with him that I come across with some of the Ni-INFp males I've talked with. I find it aggravating to deal with, and so prefer to just avoid it when I can.
I see Niffweed as having potential. He's got a few needed talents that could serve socionics well. Of course it would mean trying to get him to get his head out of his ***. Alas, that would actually change him from being who and what he is. So as much as I find it annoying as hell, it's part of what makes him him. It's just tough seeing that potential possibly going to waste. But, hopefully it'll get used elsewhere in something more meaningful to him.
So yeah, basically, I see the Ni-Fi self-feeding loop going on in Niffweed...and it being a major part of Niffweed's understandings of and interactions with others. I'm also well experienced in his dislike of Ne (to put it mildly), enough that I don't feel "safe" in being myself during our IM conversation attempts. (Which is completely different from the kinds of misunderstandings that occur when I IM with INTjs or ENTps.)
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Is that something you see as typical of LIIs? I was thinking back over all the posts by the 'legit' (not really contested) LIIs like Mysticsonic, Logos, or Thehotelambush and even the new self typed LIIs on the forum and I couldn't really say I've seen any of them do that. Not the wikipedia stuff obviously, but calls for attention that are out of place.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I really did intend to write a ILI appreciation thread today, their Fi-ness is one of a kind. I know I have said things about Niffweed on this forum, but in reality I really do like people like him and a lot of ILI in this world, come on now if it wasn't for works he has done and other ILI, Things don't function in this world as it is today.
people like aixelsyd I have so much respect for, they might be isolationist, misunderstood in the real world for what is really worth but we should not look at just a simply Hi, simply politeness that doesn't need much work for most people, screw those friendliness becuase those are most often fake.
I wrote ^^^^^ before you wrote
Lol. Thanks. Us ILIs appreciate the thought (wait, I can't speak about 'us' collectively because ILIs don't do that...j/k.).
He comes off as a more serious-minded ILI, but some ILIs I've run across are some of the funniest people I've ever met. And many of them are pretty damn sweet...only when they want to be and don't feel like they have cooties...which it can feel at times.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
I personally enjoy Niffweed's funny youtube videos.
Especially the poetry one: "the white will come... the white will come... Boom the world exploded."
Ah its great. I like how he substitutes and interchanges all these various poetic bits thus turning the poem in on itself and making the whole thing a farce.
He's basically eviscerating the Ni by showing that abstractions are not subjective and they are just little bits that you can re-order and there is zero meaning in any of it.
Nice Ne, Niff!
Also I enjoy his interest in knowledge and information. We Ne-ers need to know lots of stuff (from historical to contemporary) including random facts and pop-culture. This helps us package these and extract them into a data base of "parts" which we can then mix and match into all these different forms.
Nice Ne, Niff!
I met Niff in New York. He's pretty tightly wound and he snaps at people occasionally, but I like him. Very interesting guy, very quirky. Its fun when he gets excited because a he lights up and he starts talking faster, etc. We had an interesting conversation starting with trait-based typology methods and ending with nurture vs. nature. We almost ran ahead of the group. I guess we both walk fast, as did Steve and Vero (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm). Communication was quick and easy between us. In fact I sort of felt like I was talking to myself............................................ ...
When Niff makes points he gets pretty methodical (in fact his whole demeanor and orientation can be called methodical). Seemed to like to divide speech into very clear and understandable parts in a way I'd feel hard pressed to disagree and if I did disagree our difference would be very clear to spot and correct.
Nice Ti IJ, Niff!
Kind of a frail figure. Don't think he'd like people pushing him to do things. Maybe if they convinced him through reasonableness and understanding of the factors at play, but he doesn't seem at all like someone who'd like visceral physical impact. Kinda seems like the opposite to moi. From what I know of ESFp's... Niff would run away from them.
=( poor Se polr Niffweed.
Welp Niff's an interesting guy and I hope he figures out his Alpha-ness one day.
(btw, Maliafee take a look at Niff and then take a look at yer bf. You may shit bricks.)
The end is nigh
oh yes that's right.
btw its 8:48 right now, I predict in five minutes it will be 8:53.
in Australia... no that would require facts and knowledge and because of my Te polr (i got it right this time!) I cannot answer that.
Also Im feeling happy right now so now you know. Perhaps some emoticons would help?
EMOTICONS, TERRORIZE! (Se)
... ?
:frown:
Thats Fe.
Well I'm gonna go day dream now cya later carla!!!!!!@!@@!!one!!!!eleven!
The end is nigh
User Carla, In my personal observations (of course I concede to you that mere anecdote cannot replace thorough empirical investigation) I do not exhibit the traits associated with Ni dominants (in both the original jungian material and various Russian works) nor do I fit the relationships that come with such a typing. I do however remain open to such suggestions as I personally find such emotional attachment to certain self-types as infantile to say the least.
Barney waffles and slugs.
The end is nigh
Kick socionics to the curb, and do the impossible! That's the Team Carla way!
Niffweed you're cool. Whatever you're smoking let me have some.
Niffweed is not smoking anything, he's just smokin'.
Somebody stop him!
1.) Niffweed's behavior is not typical of LII's... it's not typical of ANY type.
2.) Niffweed's intertype relations should not be relied upon in determining his type. (And I'm usually someone very likely to use intertype relations to help determine people's types.)
3.) Ni is not static. It's not structural. At all. Niffweed does show concern for Fi, but his primary concern is for static logic, not static ethics. He's as fussy about Ti as any Ti dominant here. Maybe even fussier.
4.) He is not IP. IJ, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. There's nothing "go with the flow" about him. What he describes as his real life laid back behavior sounds like nothing more than weak Se and introversion.
5.) I don't expect anyone to take my word for this, but in talking to him, the way he discusses Se (particularly related to money) is unlike any Gamma I've ever spoken to. His perspective is, on the other hand, quite similar to Alphas I've talked to, particularly LII's.
6.) Unconscious Fe makes a hell of a lot more sense for him than unconscious Fi and Se.
Joy, would you be able to elaborate a little more on point 5? If you're alluding to what I think you're alluding to, then for my part I think you are probably right and he is indeed not ILI.