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Very nice Logos, here have a pendant of life, it'll help you ward off those nasty temple guards.
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Very nice Logos, here have a pendant of life, it'll help you ward off those nasty temple guards.
The end is nigh
The list has been updated again.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Imo, Jon Snow from A Song of Ice and Fire is Ti ENTp. But I am in no way adamant on that typing, although I think he certainly conflicts with Catelyn Stark who I believe to be ESI of some sort
George RR Martin is Ti INTj, so its reasonable to assume this already Alpha-ish series is going to have Alpha characters, although the book is dominated by Beta-Delta conflict.
The end is nigh
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
okay, that does nothing for me.
Idk Discojoe's degree of typing proficiency and although I feel like a douche for saying this, tis rumored by some that discojoe is actually Ti ENTp. From what I've seen from Joe I'm not really feelin the ISFj, but I cannot verify this Ti ENTp typing as of yet.
I relate a good deal to Jon Snow tbh. He could be something else, but Im going with Ti ENTp as of now.
There's prolly more Alphas in ASOIAF though... Petyr Baelish maybe, but he could be Beta. Maybe ENFj.
Sansa idk. Arya i have trouble relating to, probably gamma Fi ESFp.
But yeah, I'll start reading the books again and Ill come back with more info.
The end is nigh
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
There's a Zoidberger at AVEN, actually.
/random tidbit
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
The character of Coraline in the movie Coraline.
Pocahontas in The New World?
yeah I always felt like The Little Mermaid was ENFp. However, ENFps and ISFps can act similarly, so I can see why you'd identify too.
Somewhere I read ariel typed at ENFp though...
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
I'm bumping this for further input for especially the non-ILE fictional characters.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Nick Naylor is pretty EIE if you ask me.
Also I think Jack/Cornelius from Fight Club could be IEI.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
The couple from Garden State could be ILE (Sam/Portman) and SEI (Andrew/Braff).
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I think some of the confusion on Garden State comes from Sam being a Creative ESE, and Andrew being a Harmonizing LII. Mind you, I'm using Gulenko's DCNH 4-subtype system, and I'm not sure how well-regarded that is around here, as I don't see people using it. Still, it makes sense to me how a Creative ESE (strengthened Ne/Se) could be mistaken for ILE, and a Harmonizing LII (strengthened Si/Ni) could be mistaken for SEI.
On another note, Logos, what makes you say ILE > LIE for Rodney McKay? I had typed him as LIE, but that was back in my earlier days of socionics, and I don't hold those early typings as firmly as I used to. Still, I haven't seen the show in a while, but I do seem to remember him being more interested in speedy practical applications of technology (Te) than a slower, more thorough theoretical understanding (Ti). I'm objectively curious as to the reasoning you used to arrive at your conclusion.
Zelenka, on the other hand, I completely agree is LII.
Quaero Veritas.
Another LII: Sam Winchester, from Supernatural.
Quaero Veritas.
Logos: I think you were right about the Genie after all. I no longer think he is an ENTp.
I think Weeds' Shane is a good example of an Ne subtype INTj, by the way.
I posted this in the SEI thread, but I'll post it here too
Shandala from Broken Saints
This is a sample of what I'm talking about (From the beginning to 4:23. It is of the first chapter of the series)
Also:
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
Oh so many points to respond to...
Rodney McKay's drive to be known, recognized, and loved in an manner? His unhealthy obsession with his health? (Which is admittedly more a sign of weak Si.) Rodney is reluctant to admit his error in the face of counterevidence (much like Einstein and quantum mechanics). Rodney wasn't interested in speedy practical applications of technology, but they were frequently demanded of him in his job and field work. McKay is the most theoretical of all of the characters, apart from maybe Zelenka, who by contrast is a bit more grounded and critical of Leading-Ne theories. Zelenka's role is mostly to point to points of problematic Ti in McKay's Ne-leading theories. Furthermore, McKay's working relationship with Zelenka is more evocative of mirror relations than quasi-identical. As a contrast, I would say that Woolsey is an LIE.
Okay. I'm more open to this possibility now.
I think that Simon is one of the fewer clear cut LIIs out there in television, though his other frequently proposed type by others is actually EII. A number of LII descriptions, I believe, actually make mention of how young LIIs may seem far more open or EP like in their development. LIIs can almost be ILE-like, but only amongst very close friends and family, around whom the LII is comfortable opening themselves to. But a number of the criticisms laid at Simon's feet was that he was too much of a proper, stiff. His own discussion with Kaylee of having to act civilized even on the frontier points to an Fi-role function over an Fi-PoLR.I would also say Simon can be any Alpha NT. I actually typed him as ILE before based on his behavior when he was younger vs older persona.
Fi also happens to be in the LII's super-ego too. :wink:Fi super ego stuff here.
I made a case for ILE here.
I'm not familiar with that one. I may have to check it out.
I'm not sure if I would have been comfortable enough in overcoming my Fi-Role to say that. Shane has been tough for me to peg down. I did think that he was a possible Ni-leading type. I will have to reevaluate this. I did have Dean Hodes as an LII.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I am pretty proper and stiff in most aspects of life, formal and professional. And Simon does open up later on in the show to being the goof he is. Most ILE's I have met are more like Alonso Quixano and not Don Quixote. Sane, broken and working.
Also young Simon Tam is played by a young Zac Efron who I think is ILE.
I think LII is definitely possible for Simon. I think the portrayal of his character changed later in the show as they made him more action oriented and also in the movie they made him more integral in the rescue of his sister rather then hiring some people to do it.
This is certainly within the realm of possibility, but LII is the likeliest possibility that involves the least amount of stretching of the explanation to work. And I could just as well cite Simon's childhood behavior as being similar to my own at a similar age.
Which is a nice opinion does not necessarily say anything about Simon's type. While LII is possible for Simon, it also happens to be more probable than ILE.Also young Simon Tam is played by a young Zac Efron who I think is ILE.
I think LII is definitely possible for Simon. I think the portrayal of his character changed later in the show as they made him more action oriented and also in the movie they made him more integral in the rescue of his sister rather then hiring some people to do it.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Some contributions
ESE
Porthos- The Three Musketeers
Wilkins Micawber- David Copperfield
Gimli- The Lord of The Rings (Krig mentioned this, the typing makes sense)
SEI
Dora Spenlow- David Copperfield
Peregrin Took/Pippin- The Lord of The Rings
ILE
Dr. Emmett Brown/Doc- Back To The Future
Gollum/Smeagol- The Lord of The Rings
The Joker- The Dark Knight (not too sure about this one)
LII
Jamal- Slumdog Millionaire
EII INFj
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...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
ILEs FTW
US Colonial Marine Hudson (Aliens)
Peter Venkman / Bill Murray (Ghostbusters)
Groucho Marx
Doctor House
Dennis Finch (Just shoot me!)
Morpheus (The Matrix)
Chandler Bing (Friends)
Ross Geller (Friends)
HM Murdock (The A-Team)
Norm MacDonald (Norm)
Ted / Liev Schreiber (Sphere)
Dr Frasier Crane
McGyver
Indiana Jones
Darth Vader
Frank Drebin/ Leslie Nielsen (The Naked Gun)
Scientist / James Spader (Stargate)
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ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Vash the Stampede is an alpha.
seeking to the max.
The saddest ESFj
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Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Respectfully, in my opinion that list contains a lot of non-ILEs. Of those listed, I would say that Dr. House, Morpheus, McGyver, Indiana Jones, and Darth Vader are all almost certainly not ILE, and I'm not sure about the others. Indiana Jones and McGyver, for example, I would say are SLI, and possibly Dr. House too.
I'm curious as to what led you to these typings. I'm always prepared to be proven wrong...
Quaero Veritas.