ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
I'm going to assume she is talking about this bit in an LII description:
3. Ascetic. He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher’s forehead. He toughens himself, training for the cold, starvation, losses and disapproval of others. The only aspect where he willingly concedes to his partner is the issue of dressing, taste and routine chores. The necessity to be responsible for these things irritates him. Usually he even does not notice the quality of his clothing. He does not tolerate orders. His dual The Bonvivant, as if being aware of that, involves him into work not by direct orders but begins to fuss about, to make a lot of unnecessary movements – then The Analyst gets involved, and the work goes rapidly, logically and soundly. He himself does not show much initiative, is reclusive and silent.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
::frown;; I did that... I've changed a lot this summmer though. I liked to go out in snow in a light jacket, or sometimes just in a T-shirt. There were probably multiple reasons why I did that... I knew I would be iin buildings most of the time, why did it matter? And I loved the internal battle with the elements, so to speak. It was more interesting and adventurous than being all warm and snug in a coat.
My father used to get pissed. My friend thought it was pointless. "But you don't HAVE to be cold," he'd be like. And I'd be like, "But I LIKE it. I like the mental battle." And he'd just shake his head, obviously thinking i just wanted to be touugh.
I thought his complete not getting it odd... He usually picks up on my viewpoint very quickly, even if we bounce off at angles.
And this, too, shall pass away.
ILI
I don't go out enough to be sure... but extreme heat I think makes me feel really drowsy. Humidity doubles this effect.
or maybe it could be my being about 30-40 pounds underweight.
(psst, liveandletlive... Don't be jealous, seriously.)
And this, too, shall pass away.
ILI
In a way I could kind of see arguments for either Se or Si motivations behind this, but I haven't really fleshed it out well enough in my head yet to go into detail. Perhaps I may return later. Perhaps I may forget entirely about the thread. Perhaps I might get run over tomorrow morning and be inactive on the forum for 6 months. But I doubt that'll happen. I'm too lucky.
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5w4 so/sx
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This thread is making me laugh for unrelated, strongly ironic reasons.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?
As a matter of fact, yes. I wore shorts through autumn and sometimes even winter around age 7/8. I still take a long time to get accustomed to clothes and wear the clothes that I have grown into longer than most people consider appropriate.^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?
Not necessarily to this length. I do not train myself to wear shorts year round, since I happen to like pants. When it is cold and I am clearly freezing, I do not complain about it or make a big deal out of it. But this is what most would call "haven't got enough sense to come out of the rain" sort of behavior.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
i do get hot rather easily and wear the same clothes year round.
danielle, yeah i do think LIIs are ascetic, and get off on thinking they can withstand shit from the outside world or emotionally.
I walk around in my underwear with people telling me "put something on or you'll catch a cold" everyday. "Aren't you cold?" is something I've heard at least a thousand times. Sometimes my body heat is so hot it disturbs people sitting next to me like in a filled backseat of a car. And I only weigh 135lbs
You sure it wasn't the 135 lb guy in his underwear wedged between them?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I don't find myself doing this at all, although I am rather impervious to changes in temperature, never wearing a very heavy coat during the winter. I will layer up, though. This is actually somewhat of a recent development, as before I used to be extremely sensitive to temperature. Interesting how something like that can change.
What I can't stand is being wet or the air feeling damn and humid. Yuck.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
I relate to it, figuratively.
It comes about from a mentality of scarcity. I believe that INTj's prepare to live with few resources (income, support from others) because they feel they don't have power over their environment.
Saving, doing with less, and detachment are the most dependable defenses against unpredictable threats to seemingly fragile emotions and ego. After all, they only involve control of oneself.
With weak Se and F, INTj's doubt their ability to influence others or the surroundings. Going 'Te' to manipulate a situation to one's benefit is seen as too risky and even distasteful (trying to cheat the natural laws gets back at you eventually).
Interestingly, the INTj seems to share this trait, preparing oneself for the harshness of reality, with Se leading types. The difference is that the Se POLR type has an exaggerated fear and defensiveness towards outside 'bad things that might happen', even if those things have never happened to them.
While Se types, to my impression, learn caution only through hard won experience. They are expanding and pushing the boundaries, until they eventually have to face elements they can't control.
I wore shorts year-round until I gave them up to be more consistent with my wish that women wouldn't wear shorts. (I felt like a hypocrite drawing that distinction between men and women, even though no one else acted on it.) You won't catch me in shorts nowadays. Well... even someone that would catch me in the first place wouldn't catch me in shorts.
Oddly, I now avoid cold more diligently than anyone around me, even going so far as to wear a coat everywhere.
LII-Ne
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Johari
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Well, my brother would do it even in single digit weather (he would put on pants and wear a jacket if it broke the zero barrier) which, granted, is basically a Canadian summer day.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Avoiding lust is more difficult with women around wearing shorts. All those sexy legs... It doesn't help with keeping my thoughts pure. For a little while I tried to reward the women who wore long pants by looking at them while studiously avoiding those who wore shorts, on the grounds that they were looking for attention, but I quit on the grounds that the women wearing long pants might not like being stared at (which defeats my purpose). I still tend to avoid women in shorts.
I understand now that many women wear shorts to keep cool in the summer, but that seems like a poor excuse...
LII-Ne
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- Blair Houghton
Johari
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
I think there is some validity to the literal interpretation of the statement. I almost purposefully dress one level below what I should be wearing every day during the winter (e.g., wearing just a t-shirt when I should be wearing at least a jacket). For some reason, it's oddly satisfying, maybe because it gives me momentary control over my mobilizing function? Who knows.
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LII
Could we discuss why? In my mind it's a question of dressing modestly vs. keeping cool, and there isn't much competition between those. What other variables do you see?
Now, if you're mad about the staring at girls in long pants to reward them for wearing long pants, I'll agree that was ridiculous; not everything I've done in the past was good. Fortunately, I don't think anyone even noticed.
LII-Ne
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- Blair Houghton
Johari
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Coming from a very non-religious, socially liberal perspective, I find the idea that a girl wearing shorts is being immodest in a way that is _wrong_ to be relatively repulsive and socially backwards. I understand that you are not outright saying it is wrong, but obviously your contention with the immodest is precipitated by some sort of thought that the act itself is in someway wrong, and if you don't mind, I feel myself at the liberty to infer that you are asserting that what they are doing is "sinful" in some manner, or at the very least not conducive to holy thoughts of your own. I mean, if you are religious and authentically feel compelled toward the religion you are compelled to, you are without a doubt justified in believing as you do and feeling that way about shorts in general. You've done nothing wrong(a word of contention here I understand, but of course this is from my secular perspective), but just the very thought of supporting that manner of thinking is, again, repulsive to me.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
To be honest, this is not a tenet of my religion (I thought of it myself), and for that reason I would not go so far as to say that any woman is sinning by wearing shorts. I simply see wearing shorts as a bad practice, like many others that are so prevalent that there is no use in fighting them.
You've come very close to the truth in this post, but I don't see the issue of shorts as something worth fighting over. Call it a personality quirk. (or perhaps an judgement, defended with all the vigor of the role function... )
Thank you for explaining yourself. I am sorry that I have angered you; I truly...
Um... In typing this post, I am blocked at every turn by the sight of in my post. I simply can't go on while simultaneously throwing my type into question and using Socionics to make decisions. I'm stopping here.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.
SLAM ON THE BREAKS.
I think my brain just imploded all over this thread. Four times. I...don't even know where to start.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Women shouldn't wear shorts???
this thread illustrates to me why I'm not an LII.
ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)