What is caregiving?

[Lotus]

Am I supposed to like it? Because right now I've got an ESE in my house running around doing whatever she pleases.

And she's "caregiving" and it's pissing me off.

Just because I happened to fall asleep approximately two hours before I was supposed to wake up, and consequently missed school, does not mean I have a serious problem.
I don't need a fucking "intervention" and I don't need people to miss school to come find me and force-feed me their spinach pizza.

Nor do I need anyone barging into my room while I'm sleeping and demand that I sit up so they can talk to me. WHEN I'M SLEEPING, I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ANYONE, HOLYSHIT!
Is that not obvious as hell to anyone else?

When I am hiding under my sheets from you, moaning and groaning for you to get the fuck out, and cringing at all this food and drink you're trying to shove down my throat....
is that not a sign that I want you to leave?


HOW IS DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT CONSIDERED "CARING" ?


Sorry about the ranting... go ahead and interpret this topic in whatever way you fancy, and respond accordingly...

Or tell me what the fuck "caregiving" is......

[Creepy-bg]

make me a turkey pot pie... bitch.

[Lotus]

Let's just go play naked twister with the other quadras.

Anything else right now is nonsense.

[Creepy-bg]

the cleanest way is to hurt her

she won't bother you again. guaranteed

now that's caregiving!

[Lotus]

I feel like stirring up trouble.


What is there to do around here?

[anndelise]

the cleanest way is to hurt her

she won't bother you again. guaranteed

supposedly, the cleanest way to help her understand what's wrong with what she's doing is to give her some Ti and/or Ne

then anamericancer can enjoy the caregiving
and the ESE can enjoy caregiving
win-win

[Creepy-bg]

I feel like stirring up trouble.


What is there to do around here?

I was trolling Phaedrus before but you can only have so much fun with an idiot and a liar. Winterpark has started using that girls picture for an avatar, maybe you could start some shit over that? I don't know... that's about all I've got. I'm going to sleep soon... it's 10am for fucks sake.... way past my bedtime.

[Sirena]

I was trolling Phaedrus before but you can only have so much fun with an idiot and a liar. Winterpark has started using that girls picture for an avatar, maybe you could start some shit over that? I don't know... that's about all I've got. I'm going to sleep soon... it's 10am for fucks sake.... way past my bedtime.

What an instigator you are!

[Creepy-bg]

What an instigator you are!

oh snap... caught red handed!

[Lotus]

I was trolling Phaedrus before but you can only have so much fun with an idiot and a liar. Winterpark has started using that girls picture for an avatar, maybe you could start some shit over that? I don't know... that's about all I've got. I'm going to sleep soon... it's 10am for fucks sake.... way past my bedtime.

Yeah I noticed the picture/avatar.

That's weird as fuck.
And scrolling through the "Post you pics 08" thread I saw winterpark's picture.

He's definitely not "cuter" than me, like he has previously told me.
ahahahaha

I'm an ass.

[Sirena]

oh snap... caught red handed!

LOL. (Be careful, I'm watching you).

[Creepy-bg]

LOL. (Be careful, I'm watching you).

perv

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I think we should 'take care' of this ESFj.

[Lotus]

Hey guys, cutest couple evah?





Can anyone tell how jealous I am? I need to go do something before I start bitching out happy people again....

ugh

[Sirena]

perv

[Lotus]

I think we should 'take care' of this ESFj.

Do it.



How?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Am I supposed to like it? Because right now I've got an ESE in my house running around doing whatever she pleases.

And she's "caregiving" and it's pissing me off.

Smile.

Just because I happened to fall asleep approximately two hours before I was supposed to wake up, and consequently missed school

Well ok, when you put it like that, who needs to go to school, or even bother about just missing the occasional day here and there, when one has a degree from the university of life, and a diploma from the kintergarden of getting the shit kicked out of them, or something, I ask?

When I am hiding under my sheets from you, moaning and groaning for you to get the fuck out, and cringing at all this food and drink you're trying to shove down my throat....
is that not a sign that I want you to leave?

What's the real reason you're moaning and groaning while you're in your bed?

HOW IS DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT CONSIDERED "CARING" ?


Sorry about the ranting... go ahead and interpret this topic in whatever way you fancy, and respond accordingly...

Or tell me what the fuck "caregiving" is......

It bugs the hell out of me, thats for sure.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Do it.



How?

I believe poison is the best method to avoid detection, but putting it into their food will be problematic as ESFjs always insist on making all the food.

[Sirena]

Hey guys, cutest couple evah?





Can anyone tell how jealous I am? I need to go do something before I start bitching out happy people again....

ugh

1 vote for cutest couple (a little biased though). And yes, please, no more crap from you.

[Lotus]

I believe poison is the best method to avoid detection, but putting it into their food will be problematic as ESFjs always insist on making all the food.

Nah, it might work. She comes over all the time to eat my food. Strange... for such a skinny girl.

I can hide it some chinese food. She loves that!

And cyclops, surely you would only expect discomfort for one to moan and groan in bed?
Right?

[Creepy-bg]

Do it.



How?

you're the ENTp... I'm sure you can come up with some Wily Coyote shit if you put your mind to it. Let the amphetamines do the thinking.

[Lotus]

1 vote for cutest couple (a little biased though). And yes, please, no more crap from you.

awww, why am I always being misinterpreted?

online inter-quadra love stories are my favorites! however your story sucks so far...
perhaps you two could make a porno... and then overdose or something. just don't overglorify the sex/drugs when they do your true hollywood story.. i wouldn't approve of that shit.

Oh yeah, and I'm starting a naked twister pic collection in the shoe box under my bed. Contribute if you're into it...

SOMEONE already has...

you're the ENTp... I'm sure you can come up with some Wily Coyote shit if you put your mind to it. Let the amphetamines do the thinking.

I need a hit man.
BAD

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Re moaning and groaning-i really don't know what to expect, maybe that's why i'm so intriguied by the idea.

Re the ESFj, are we talking about killing him?

[Lotus]

Re moaning and groaning-i really don't know what to expect, maybe that's why i'm so intriguied by the idea.

Re the ESFj, are we talking about killing him?

Her.

Because she comes over to cook for me and eat my food and feed me and wake me up and talk to me and try to get me to respond to her and because she is my friend and i have to go along with it even though i don't want to cause that's what friends do and it is annoying me now

ugh

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Her.

Are you sure your not getting mixed up? Isn't it your other friend who's a He.

Because she comes over to cook for me and eat my food and feed me and wake me up and talk to me and try to get me to respond to her and because she is my friend and i have to go along with it even though i don't want to cause that's what friends do and it is annoying me now

ugh

Um..you make this whole friendship thing sound like it's the business.

You're be better off with the introtert stryffe, we don't need pals.

[Lotus]

Are you sure your not getting mixed up? Isn't it your other friend who's a He.


Um..you make this whole friendship thing sound like it's the business.

You're be better off with the introtert stryffe, we don't need pals.

Introtert stryffe makes me suicidal.

Cut that shit out.

[Sirena]

awww, why am I always being misinterpreted?
No worries.
your story sucks so far...
perhaps you two could make a porno... and then overdose or something. just don't overglorify the sex/drugs when they do your true hollywood story.. i wouldn't approve of that shit.
We'll see what we ca do to make it interesting for you, people pleasers that we are.
Oh yeah, and I'm starting a naked twister pic collection in the shoe box under my bed. Contribute if you're into it...
Get back to you on that. LOL.
SOMEONE already has...
Score!

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Introtert stryffe makes me suicidal.

Cut that shit out.

Fair nuff, what about the introvert stryffe?

[Lotus]

Fair nuff, what about the introvert stryffe?

Equally repulsive.

[ScanDave]

Yeah ESEs overdue the caregiving when it comes to ILEs. To me it always seems their timing is off. They are not thinking about the proper time to do something. Everything is right now with them. I know of two of them and one is my mom. My mom will wake me up about something that could most definately wait when I'm actually awake and can process the information better. It is annoying.


I always been curious how do LIIs apperciate the things ESEs do. Because I alway note ESEs are doing too much for the time they are doing it. After a while I get tired of it.

[Mediator Kam]

This is the thunderous return of Dolphin.

[JRiddy]

What the hell? Cooking is not type related, and cooking is not caregiving. How is this even Socionics? Seriously. If it pisses you off so much that she comes over and cooks you food and tries to talk to you, ditch her. I'm sure some other person will be glad to come along and be her friend. Do you know how nice it is that she took time out of her life to come see you? And yet you're lying around complaining that she's not meeting your damn requirements? What makes you think you can order her around? She's a person too, with feelings and thoughts. My question is, why the hell is she still around when you act like that?

Have you thought that since she's your mom, your ability to analyze her objectively will be biased? Skewed? Did you know that in fact pretty much everyone whines about their moms at one point or another? Sure, be all "omg I hate my mom. She makes me do things. She gave birth to me, raised me. She's got years more of life experience than I do. But I'm going to be like a pissy little teenager and complain about what time she wakes me up." No one's stopping you.

What the hell? Their timing? What is the proper time, then? At your whim? At your command? Have you ever just stopped, and said "Hey, they're trying to do a nice thing for me, I'm going to meet them halfway?"

I've always found it interesting that people come on here and bitch about people they've typed as ESFjs. How do they know they're ESFjs? Because they're cooking for you, of course. And forcing their cooking on other people, of course. And singing "Whistle While You Work", of course. And being loud and obnoxious, of course. And of course, since they're ESFj, they have absolutely no idea of the horrors they're causing to others. "Oh. My. God. She's cooking again people! Run for the damn hills!"

Because that's all caregiving is, you know. Wiping someone else's ass while they complain that you've got the timing wrong.

Automatically associate those things with ESFj. Automatically associate those things with damn caregiving. Make Alpha SFs, especially ESFjs, sound like retards, because that's of course what they are, and then make entire threads whining about them and how they make your life miserable. It's ALL type related.

+3,619,054 at least

[Mediator Kam]

I love her now you know riddy?

[JRiddy]

I love her now you know riddy?

Indeed.

[JRiddy]

Allie, I'm gonna say the same thing that people have to tell me from time to time:

Get over yourself!

[Logos]

I've always found it interesting that people come on here and bitch about people they've typed as ESFjs. How do they know they're ESFjs? Because they're cooking for you, of course. And forcing their cooking on other people, of course. And singing "Whistle While You Work", of course. And being loud and obnoxious, of course. And of course, since they're ESFj, they have absolutely no idea of the horrors they're causing to others. "Oh. My. God. She's cooking again people! Run for the damn hills!"

Because that's all caregiving is, you know. Wiping someone else's ass while they complain that you've got the timing wrong.

Automatically associate those things with ESFj. Automatically associate those things with damn caregiving. Make Alpha SFs, especially ESFjs, sound like retards, because that's of course what they are, and then make entire threads whining about them and how they make your life miserable. It's ALL type related.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[JRiddy]

Is it odd that I was in a relationship with an LIE where the same thing kept happening?

Yes, considering that it's all type related, like Dolphin said. An LIE doesn't want to help you unless by "help you" you mean "give you a little cash in exchange for being sexually aggressive."

[JRiddy]

Actually, I meant that I was constantly taking care of the LIE.

Oh haha. Still, props to Dolphin anyhow. I love it when peoples go off like that. It's an amazing display of insight that's been carefully stored up over time, like a nuclear explosion of discernment.

Anywho, what type are you again, Jxrtes? (Oh, and how the hell am I supposed to pronounce your screenname?)

[Creepy-bg]

Oh haha. Still, props to Dolphin anyhow. I love it when peoples go off like that. It's an amazing display of insight that's been carefully stored up over time, like a nuclear explosion of discernment.

Anywho, what type are you again, Jxrtes? (Oh, and how the hell am I supposed to pronounce your screenname?)

I know it's really not at all how his username is spelt but I pronounce it "Xerxes" *shrugs*

[ScanDave]

What the hell? Cooking is not type related, and cooking is not caregiving. How is this even Socionics? Seriously. If it pisses you off so much that she comes over and cooks you food and tries to talk to you, ditch her. I'm sure some other person will be glad to come along and be her friend. Do you know how nice it is that she took time out of her life to come see you? And yet you're lying around complaining that she's not meeting your damn requirements? What makes you think you can order her around? She's a person too, with feelings and thoughts. My question is, why the hell is she still around when you act like that?


Have you thought that since she's your mom, your ability to analyze her objectively will be biased? Skewed? Did you know that in fact pretty much everyone whines about their moms at one point or another? Sure, be all "omg I hate my mom. She makes me do things. She gave birth to me, raised me. She's got years more of life experience than I do. But I'm going to be like a pissy little teenager and complain about what time she wakes me up." No one's stopping you.


What the hell? Their timing? What is the proper time, then? At your whim? At your command? Have you ever just stopped, and said "Hey, they're trying to do a nice thing for me, I'm going to meet them halfway?"



I've always found it interesting that people come on here and bitch about people they've typed as ESFjs. How do they know they're ESFjs? Because they're cooking for you, of course. And forcing their cooking on other people, of course. And singing "Whistle While You Work", of course. And being loud and obnoxious, of course. And of course, since they're ESFj, they have absolutely no idea of the horrors they're causing to others. "Oh. My. God. She's cooking again people! Run for the damn hills!"

Because that's all caregiving is, you know. Wiping someone else's ass while they complain that you've got the timing wrong.

Automatically associate those things with ESFj. Automatically associate those things with damn caregiving. Make Alpha SFs, especially ESFjs, sound like retards, because that's of course what they are, and then make entire threads whining about them and how they make your life miserable. It's ALL type related.

First off I think I have the right to determine what is appropriate in my life. I don't care if they are my mom or not. I am 24 years old, and I don't live with my mom. So yeah if my brother lets her in, and she decides to intrude on my living space at an inappropriate time I do have the right to be disgruntled. While I am sleeping is definately one of those times. She is not the only ESE I know, but I used her as an example because I've seen this trait in other ESE. You don't have to agree with me. However, I am observant and confident in my ability to type in socionics.

Secondly, just because someone is being nice does not mean they have good intentions. They could want something from you, something you just can't give. Or they want you to like them, but have no intention of actually being your friend. People can be manipulative. Just because someone says they are your friend, and do things a friend would do does not make them a friend. So your "meet them halfway" just because someone is being nice to you does not hold up. I have learned this the hard way several times. You may be right in most cases, but not every situation is sugar coated and that simple.

I imagine Anamericancer is uncomfortable because she thinks this girl wants her to reciprocate. Deciding how to do that, or even what to do, when somone else gives so much is difficult. Especially, even, if the person is a friend and you are worried if what you do will be enough to be seen as an equal friend. Personally I'd rather not deal with the psychological aspects of reciprocation. Not an easy thing for me. I think I know where Anamericancer is coming from hence the relavance of my posts in connection with her situation.

Thanks for your two cents though. I know where to go now if I ever need shit for and opposition to my personal sentiments.