What's this gotta do with narcissism? He's 100% right about this.Originally Posted by inumbra
ILE (ENTp)
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ESE (ESFj)
LII (INTj)
SLE (ESTp)
IEI (INFp)
EIE (ENFj)
LSI (ISTj)
SEE (ESFp)
ILI (INTp)
LIE (ENTj)
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What's this gotta do with narcissism? He's 100% right about this.
Yeah, he's 100% right but he's 100% lying about doing it himself. His niece says that other people in his real estate organization do all the actual work. And if you look at his performance with his airline, or his casinos, or his steak sales, or any of his other non-real estate-based businesses that he nuked by being a lazy idiot, or his performance in the White House, you might be reminded of the standard investment warning "Past performance is no guarantee of future results", but you know, it's a pretty good indicator.
Narcissists generally aren't good at relationships in general. I'm trying to evaluate his Fi or lack of, not whether or not I agree with anything he says. My agreement or lack of wouldn't lend anything to understanding his type.
Since I see him as having the problems many narcissists have such as lack of empathy, it kind of means he'll find relationships more difficult regardless of if he's SEE or SLE as the disorder probably overrides this type stuff.
ETA: As for success (or time devoted to it) and relationships being inversely related often I think that can certainly be true, but he could say that also as an SEE or as an SLE.
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You be hatin a little bit too much on your supposed activity buddy arent you
My mother was Kindred and also a narcissist and I wasn't too keen on her, either. Sometimes, the fucked part of a personality just overwhelms the person inside there.
Kil4Me, what type do you type him? I can't read this whole thread to find out.
And WHO are the awful 28?? Would I know any of them, having started on this forum as early as 2012 maybe (but never deeply aware of everything happening on it)? Also, your argument with whoever Soupman is, is it in this thread? If so, can you tell me the numbers of the posts in this thread? I would like to see it. You must have been arguing SLE-Se. I can imagine a long winning debate on that type, but not on a SEE type. So I am curious.
My intuition for Trump goes immediately to SLE and just doesn't move off it. I have not read this thread before, but I just checked the poll at the beginning of this thread and see that SLE is clearly the majority vote, too. And I see Adam Strange's vote as well, and I always find his typings worth noting.
And what do you and others type Melania? Not seeing the duality bond there (like, for example, the Reagan marriage and probably Carter).
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I think Trump is very intelligent, though not in classic ways, but using his intelligence in the way he needs to get things done that he has chosen to get done. Acquire, expand, climb, run things, make a name for himself. Certainly intelligent compared to Geo.W., who did not seem so smart to me. Just super crafty, like all the politicians. And I do not get a goodness vibe there.
Yes, many things his niece who hates him says must be true or at least have a basis in it. But she has a hate bias, and she is serving fans THIRSTY for her vitriol; she is hailed a hallowed hero for this host. He could well have paid someone to take his SATs. What Nemesis Niece certainly knows and omits sharing is that when you grow up a member of the entitled 1%, this is COMMONPLACE. It has to be. Just because the mighty rich end up with the best Ivy League educations doesn't mean they are all born smarter than the rest, or that they are obliged to go through what the rest of us are must to get there. If you had all those entitlements as a part of your everyday life do you think you would just do your scout's best and accept the state university educational system instead? Not defending these actions, just saying, I absolutely do not believe Niece is giving us the full story. She is crafting with a purpose. I do not trust that woman.
The ruling class live by their own rules, with much unrighteousness. The rare exceptions like King Charles I, or King Louis IX, or Elizabeth of Hungary are so rare they are venerated for all time. There are more of those who live in a world of pure evil. Power corrupts. Corrupt Biden's relations with China and his virulent anti-life stances are frighteningly unrighteous.
Yes, Trump can come of looking stupid, especially in many snip-outs of off-the-cuff recorded conversations in front of the camera. He is an "E", after all, and the words can flow off the tongue without any prior consideration, for us "E"s. I have laughed well at those videos with that woman comedian lip-syncing Trump. Genius hilarity. Surely Trump puts out much fodder for such comedy. But I don't see him as stupid.
(Smart is not a virtue. It can be used for ill or good).
I do not think Trump is a pathological Narcissist. Narcissistic, yes, but I do not think NPD, pathological, or a sociopath. Instead, a pumped-up, driven SLE-Se, well-honed and well-supported in being and expressing just who he is and wants to be. As an elite who can afford to surround himself with whoever and whatever supports his desires and goals. He has had to "waste" little time being what he is not, unlike the rest of us must, in order to navigate everyday life amidst often hostile inter-type relations...
I once read a great article about how Trump was a Narcissist and Hilary an Ideologue, and that Narcissist is by far the more desirable of the two in a nation's leader, and it was explained why. Even having a portion of my life negatively impacted by life with a real Narcissist, I agreed.
I think Pelosi is one of those truly frightening ideologues as that that writer explained, besides being pure evil. Also Biden is the creepiest of creeps and a complicit puppet at the bidding of powerful, evil-doing handlers.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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SEE until anyone can give me one good reason for him having nuanced usage of Ti.
EIE-Fe Creative 7w8 748 Sx/So VELF
What did u think about his actual content during the debates? (not his Se / interruption tactics )
Did they seem incoherent / Ti-PoLR to u?
He talks faster than he thinks at times, and yeah i get that it's brash and it gets him into trouble, but his reasoning is pretty coherent IMO - he could backup why he believed in X or why he didn't believe in Y, pretty clearly
Last edited by Computer Loser; 10-02-2020 at 11:39 AM.
The Donald Jesus Trump is an iconic queen. Checkmate libtards.
I haven't watched the debates specifically, but I am familiar with his style of argumentation. He has a very instinctive response to avoid answering most questions directly and on topic, likely because he feels some discomfort in doing so. He's kind of amazing at being able to pivot from any direct question into an area where he has accumulated factual information that he can machine gun out as a sort of faux-counter argument. If pressed on the same question again he reacts in a kind of frustration and looks for anothet direction to pivot in. He really despises being held accountable to his own words and being pressed to be consistent with those, choosing to deny intent if a previous position he held conflicts with his current one. If all that fails, he attacks the intent of the party questioning him.
And just to be clear, my opinion on this isnt coming from some sort of liberal malice, I find Trump extremely entertaining a figure and it doesnt bother me to be his Activator, but I just do not get any Ti from the man
EIE-Fe Creative 7w8 748 Sx/So VELF
And now he has COVID-19.
The question the internet is asking this morning is, "Will yet another Simpsons prediction come true?"
Curious minds want to know.
Seriously, no one should get COVID-19 and I wish him a speedy recovery. I don't want him as President because a President whose only strengths are being an insult machine and threatening to sue the people he doesn't like is not a recipe for solving the problems that this country has, but I don't want him to die prematurely.
One good thing for Trump about him contracting COVID-19 is that he won't have to do any more debates, where his above "strengths" will become undeniably obvious. He can instead safely shelter in his bed, eat McD's cheeseburgers and send out tweets, which is his true avocation.
Putin is offering Trump his "sincere support". I wonder what form that would take? Troops and tanks to put down the commie liberals in Portland, Chicago and New York?
We live in head-spinning times.
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I think as an Se lead, he's very sensitive to answering questions that are negatively framed, or puts him in a bad light / weaker position.
Like if I asked you, "Did u slap your wife last night?" Not only does it,
A. Make wrong assumptions about u, but
B. It's a negative/bad question that shouldn't even be entertained
He's kind of amazing at being able to pivot from any direct question into an area where he has accumulated factual information that he can machine gun out as a sort of faux-counter argument.Questions, likeIf pressed on the same question again he reacts in a kind of frustration and looks for another direction to pivot in.He really despises being held accountable to his own words and being pressed to be consistent with those, choosing to deny intent if a previous position he held conflicts with his current one.
"How bad do u feel about the people you let down as a denier of climate change?"
It automatically puts u in the frame of being guilty and now u have to defend yourself
He trolls because one would be at a disadvantage to simply use logic. He pulls out the same tactics as the left because he's familiar with them and evens the playing fieldIf all that fails, he attacks the intent of the party questioning him.
I recommend watching some of the debates and concentrate on the what/why of what he says. IMO he did horribly tactics-wise, but I could still follow his logicAnd just to be clear, my opinion on this isnt coming from some sort of liberal malice, I find Trump extremely entertaining a figure and it doesnt bother me to be his Activator, but I just do not get any Ti from the man
Fuck him, he deserves far worse than Covid lol. Especially since he's rich enough to not die from it most likely.
When the plague comes, money can't do you no good.
I have heard that some people, some very smart people, mind you, believe that he's lying about being infected so he can avoid further debates and then pop up a week from the election, miraculously cured and declare COVID-19's lethality to be "fake news", but I consider this to be slanderous to his doctor who diagnosed him.
That can be true. Or he's doing this to postpone the elections
Yeah, I agree with your logic. Like that if he is given a negatively charged premise, he will dodge the question and that's why he doesn't respond. However, I don't think he only responds in that way to those situations you outline. I think it's just how he is in general. I'll look out for those points you mention the next time I watch a clip of him, maybe during the upcoming debate
EIE-Fe Creative 7w8 748 Sx/So VELF
i'm back to SLE
It seems he's getting as much sympathy on the internet for getting COVID19 as he has consistently displayed towards those less fortunate than he.
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Socionomics is broken, in that Napoleon (representative for SEE) Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great are all ENTJ. So ...when socionomicists say Trump is SEE...that decodes to... Trump is ENTJ.
Socionomics gets Gorbachev right, he is SEE...
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I think Donald Trump is SEI-Si. Haha just putting some oil on the fireHere some posts from me in another thread:
from an information metabolism point of view, I can't see his Se in another position than ignoring and his Ne as inferior. And he's definitely not a Se-Ni valuer, he has no vision whatsoever for the US ('Make the US great again' is not a vision, it's a cold war memorabilia; it's just about nostalgia and going back in time) and he doesn't ask for discipline from himself or anyone to achieve one; his campaign is mostly based on PR stunts and support rallies("look! everybody cares about me!") rather than any appeal to forceful mobilisation("I was brought to power for a reason!").
He's also not Ep. When he does Se, it always sounds like empty threats to me; like when he threatened North Korea, I'd never believe the situation could in fact escalate because there was no real reason for it, and the Se/Ne consequences would have been completely catastrophic without any gain for western countries. It was only about Trump saying to North Korea: "Look! I'm peeing into your pool because I'm a bad bad boiiiiiii woof woof".
I think you're right about Ti>Te for him; now I lean towards SEI-Si.
You people need to stop absorbing the media image of the guy and actually look at how he moves, talks, and thinks. If there's no chance of him invading North Korea that's because he has people to talk him out of that, not necessarily because he thinks he's making an empty threat. He is certainly attuned to the power dynamics of face-to-face communication; by God, look at the 2016 debate footage where he made minced meat from the other Republican nominees. And his ability to read a crowd and manipulate it is phenomenal. It's unfortunate for him that whoever he hired to replace Steve Bannon as campaign manager is abysmal, but his Se and Fi skills are really apparent, or at least were. I think he's undergoing a cognitive decline that may make it more difficult to type him from how he seems now, but again, if you look at older footage of him, there's no question of his type.I think Donald Trump is SEI-Si. Haha just putting some oil on the fire
And if you think he's Ti-valuing I don't know what to tell you. Consistency and precision have always been complete non-issues for him. What he cares about is getting results.
He doesn't think he's making an empty threat, for sure; that doesn't make him Se-dom, only deluded. It's just Te-nonsense to even start to think invading a place that has no ressources, potentially nukes and has the backing of China which is a commercial partner of the USA. Any military action would have had dire economic consequences on the liberal globalized market of which the US are the leader. There was nothing to gain from it. Let them play with their nukes and the day they send their half assed thing over the ocean you intercept it with your anti-nuke missiles from your overbudgeted defense and then you have a nice excuse to bulldoze the whole place without pissing off China. It's as if Trump has no clue of "what can be done" and "what will bring results" and isn't even interested in that unless it brings him money(sp dom). So I don't think he's a Te valuer; but I understand why you think he's flippant about Ti. However I agree with @Duschia that his morally relativistic and free-speech-above-human-rights stance is very Fe/Ti.
And from a Se/power point of view, it would have been the same as being a rich mafia thug and bullying the old lady around the corner for 3 cents. Just makes you look cheap and isn't worth your time. There is nothing to prove for Se, everyone knows North Korea is just some pipsqueak.The only reason he threatened North Korea was because it's "the ennemy"; isn't that a common thread in Ti/Fe quadras? Using a common ennemy to assemble? To get public support?
SEE might not be strong with Ni or Te, but they don't ignore it when it's in their face like Trump does. If you still think he's SEE I don't know what to tell you.
Donald Trump
From an MBTI perspective, I thought he’s ENTJ. For a time, I’ve casually accepted that he could be SLE but ignored his rough around the edges Te manners which gave me doubts he is SLE. I used to blame that on him being a New Yorker cuz they’re not smooth, no matter what type, so it could just be a cultural bias.
Recently, an SEE from New York brought up the point that his Se is not smooth, not the way lead Se types utilize it. Trump’s Se has something to prove, that it desires to strongly make a point/statement, which is mob Se. I’m an Se lead and she’s an Se lead and we both independently observed the same thing. Moreso, I noticed that even though he’s in the position of enormous power, an Se lead wouldn’t fire back to any and all criticism, but a Te would most definitely do so. Se leads know how to scale “force” in accordance to what is realistically deemed as fitting, and often times, no force is necessary. I’m speaking from experience as one and my observations of other Se leads: Se leads bank on the reality that they themselves have a powerful “presence,” so much of the “power” they’ve willed is indirect and unspoken and it’s through their actions that they’ve established authority. Trump’s authority is via steamrolling, which is Te, not Se.
So after thinking about the discussion with SEE, and formulating my own analysis, I agree with her, Trump is LIE.
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Last edited by Lolita; 10-17-2020 at 03:38 PM.
I’ve been reading this thread backwards. Uhg I’m feeling upside down.
...just for fun... red hair hunches Ni-Se axis. For Trump Ni above Se.
Changed my mind to ESE. Inferior Ti suits him better.I think Donald Trump is SEI-Si. Haha just putting some oil on the fire
SEE running on his father's Te.
Te = business logic
Ti = principles
e_e Trump's Ti sucks dick. SAD!
NPD obscurs his type, for me
he has a personality disorder that allows him to do those things you're ascribing to SEE ability: NPD
he might be SEE, but what you're describing, is NPD, imo
There's a lot of good in this
SEE and those T who see him as T is because they are probably not T themselves.
No results and the media is unusually quiet. Something is going on. Heard a rumor...
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Enneagram 8.
Mentally ill/senile SLE
I still maintain that Trump is Ti PolR. There is no way in hell he has Ti creative.
Actual SLE politician:
I saw a documentary a few night ago where a young Trump said something like, everything was about building good relationships.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Shall someone really list all people voting for SLE (or Fe/Ti for him, as I do) in this thread/pool? Okay.
People who voted SLE for Trump include: Adam Strange (tho he changes his typing back and forth - he is LIE), Smilex (LSE), Director Abbie (LSE), Myst (LSI), sbbds (SLE), peteronfireee (LSI), Cybel (SLI), Jack Oliver Aaron (ILE), qaz00 (SLI), thehotelambush (LII), mfckrz/Ashton (LIE), xerxe (ILE), Contra (ILI), The Exception (LII), para (SLI), Alonzo (LIE), Cosmic Teapot (SLI), Jerdle (ILE), 1981slater (ILE), Investigator (ILI), ghost of forum past (LII), Anglas (although he voted 'everything but not Gamma' - LIE), Petter (ILI), PussyInASacrophagus (SLE), SheMaverick (LIE), ragnar (ILI), Desert Financial (LSI), Jarno (ILI), soundofconfusion (LII), Whoobie77 (ILI), mu4 (ILE), Dalek Caan (ILI), Zero (LIE) and more. In addition, SnatchYourWeave (SLE) types Trump LIE. This list includes people who type others professionally or were professionally typed. People who know Russian typists' like Gulenko personally. Are they all 'probably not T themselves'?
(and there is more people - who type themselves T - who type him SLE on discords or sedecology, but I guess those are also impostors)
This is why I rarely vote in polls here. I don't want it held against me if I change my mind. I haven't changed my mind on Trump though and I knew I wouldn't so I clicked. To be fair some of the people who voted have changed their minds and said so in this thread or on discord.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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