INTjs Si/Se and training for the cold

[munenori2]

ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?

My brother quite literally does this. Not in a devoted sense, but he likes to wear summer clothes year round and gets a kick out of being able to endure the cold. I used to follow his lead in this respect, but being warm is a very nice feeling.

[Wynch]

I wore shorts year-round until I gave them up to be more consistent with my wish that women wouldn't wear shorts. (I felt like a hypocrite drawing that distinction between men and women, even though no one else acted on it.) You won't catch me in shorts nowadays. Well... even someone that would catch me in the first place wouldn't catch me in shorts.

Oddly, I now avoid cold more diligently than anyone around me, even going so far as to wear a coat everywhere.

Wait, what??

I always wear pants but I don't wear pants or anything more then a dress shirt very often. I wear a jacket almost all the time though if I'm cold since I like the way jackets look and have quite a few. I own 0 winter clothing, my idea of winter clothing is a jacket.

It occurs to me that none of you who claim to wear shorts in the winter, or have little in the way of winter clothing, have experienced real cold. The kind that freezes uncovered skin in minutes. You would literally die here.

[munenori2]

Well, my brother would do it even in single digit weather (he would put on pants and wear a jacket if it broke the zero barrier) which, granted, is basically a Canadian summer day.

[Wynch]

this can be dangerous if say, your transportation breaks down for some time. i value minimalism most of the time, but there are healthy limits. (i live in the north, too.)

Definitely agree.

[munenori2]

this can be dangerous if say, your transportation breaks down for some time. i value minimalism most of the time, but there are healthy limits. (i live in the north, too.)

That's what my dad would always say while my brother would smile and joke about all the ways he could think of to stay warm, like slaying deer with tire iron boomerangs and hopping inside while he waited for a tow to arrive.

[Brilliand]

Wait, what??

Avoiding lust is more difficult with women around wearing shorts. All those sexy legs... It doesn't help with keeping my thoughts pure. For a little while I tried to reward the women who wore long pants by looking at them while studiously avoiding those who wore shorts, on the grounds that they were looking for attention, but I quit on the grounds that the women wearing long pants might not like being stared at (which defeats my purpose). I still tend to avoid women in shorts.

I understand now that many women wear shorts to keep cool in the summer, but that seems like a poor excuse...

[MysticSonic]

Avoiding lust is more difficult with women around wearing shorts. All those sexy legs... It doesn't help with keeping my thoughts pure. For a little while I tried to reward the women who wore long pants by looking at them while studiously avoiding those who wore shorts, on the grounds that they were looking for attention, but I quit on the grounds that the women wearing long pants might not like being stared at (which defeats my purpose). I still tend to avoid women in shorts.

I understand now that many women wear shorts to keep cool in the summer, but that seems like a poor excuse...

I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.

[RSV3]

I think there is some validity to the literal interpretation of the statement. I almost purposefully dress one level below what I should be wearing every day during the winter (e.g., wearing just a t-shirt when I should be wearing at least a jacket). For some reason, it's oddly satisfying, maybe because it gives me momentary control over my mobilizing function? Who knows.

[munenori2]

I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.

lol no joke

[Brilliand]

I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.

Could we discuss why? In my mind it's a question of dressing modestly vs. keeping cool, and there isn't much competition between those. What other variables do you see?

Now, if you're mad about the staring at girls in long pants to reward them for wearing long pants, I'll agree that was ridiculous; not everything I've done in the past was good. Fortunately, I don't think anyone even noticed.

[MysticSonic]

Could we discuss why? In my mind it's a question of dressing modestly vs. keeping cool, and there isn't much competition between those. What other variables do you see?

Now, if you're mad about the staring at girls in long pants to reward them for wearing long pants, I'll agree that was ridiculous; not everything I've done in the past was good. Fortunately, I don't think anyone even noticed.

Coming from a very non-religious, socially liberal perspective, I find the idea that a girl wearing shorts is being immodest in a way that is _wrong_ to be relatively repulsive and socially backwards. I understand that you are not outright saying it is wrong, but obviously your contention with the immodest is precipitated by some sort of thought that the act itself is in someway wrong, and if you don't mind, I feel myself at the liberty to infer that you are asserting that what they are doing is "sinful" in some manner, or at the very least not conducive to holy thoughts of your own. I mean, if you are religious and authentically feel compelled toward the religion you are compelled to, you are without a doubt justified in believing as you do and feeling that way about shorts in general. You've done nothing wrong(a word of contention here I understand, but of course this is from my secular perspective), but just the very thought of supporting that manner of thinking is, again, repulsive to me.

[Brilliand]

Coming from a very non-religious, socially liberal perspective, I find the idea that a girl wearing shorts is being immodest in a way that is _wrong_ to be relatively repulsive and socially backwards. I understand that you are not outright saying it is wrong, but obviously your contention with the immodest is precipitated by some sort of thought that the act itself is in someway wrong, and if you don't mind, I feel myself at the liberty to infer that you are asserting that what they are doing is "sinful" in some manner, or at the very least not conducive to holy thoughts of your own. I mean, if you are religious and authentically feel compelled toward the religion you are compelled to, you are without a doubt justified in believing as you do and feeling that way about shorts in general. You've done nothing wrong(a word of contention here I understand, but of course this is from my secular perspective), but just the very thought of supporting that manner of thinking is, again, repulsive to me.

To be honest, this is not a tenet of my religion (I thought of it myself), and for that reason I would not go so far as to say that any woman is sinning by wearing shorts. I simply see wearing shorts as a bad practice, like many others that are so prevalent that there is no use in fighting them.

You've come very close to the truth in this post, but I don't see the issue of shorts as something worth fighting over. Call it a personality quirk. (or perhaps an judgement, defended with all the vigor of the role function... )

Thank you for explaining yourself. I am sorry that I have angered you; I truly...

Um... In typing this post, I am blocked at every turn by the sight of in my post. I simply can't go on while simultaneously throwing my type into question and using Socionics to make decisions. I'm stopping here.

[Brilliand]

You weren't staring at them to reward them. You were staring at them to reward yourself.

I don't see how that fits. It was an attempt at manipulation; I didn't get any gratification out of it, except perhaps the hope that someday all women would wear long pants (or dresses; I had/have nothing against those).

[Brilliand]

Blah,blah,blah...words,words,words...been there.

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Do you really think that I am interested in constructive conversation? I assure you that I'm not.

OK, I'll ignore what you said then, except to say...

You attacked my integrity. Please be more careful in the future.