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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Nothing. I knew that subt generally means 'subterrannean', but I couldn't make a connection here so I read it as subtype.

    EDIT: M'kay, nevermind. I never read thread titles after the 3rd letter, you know?
    it was a lame joke. I've just been looking at this thread for two days trying to resist it. i finally had to succumb.

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    The EIE subtype descriptions appear to be backwards.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Bah, half the people in the Socionix galleries are mistyped anyway.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    If you focus on subtypes more than the types, there is something wrong with your approach. It should be possible to identify with being one type rather than the others - if it isn't, identifying your subtype first isn't going to help you. You should recognise which information elements you are strong in etc. and thus deduce your likely type\s - utilising subtypes just confuses things. If you are an IEI, you strongest function is Ni - you don't need subtypes to tell you that you are an IEI as opposed to an EIE.

    As for intertype relations - the strength of your functions must surely have a bearing on how you get on with people of other types, in accordance with the relative strength of your functions.

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    I don't think it's that simple. Generally speaking extrovert-subtype introverts and vice-versa have some difficulties telling their type apart from their mirror type -- it's always easiest to identify your mirror pair. I had a lot of trouble figuring out whether I was EIE or IEI, for example; but I'm pretty sure I'm EIE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Wow! Thanks for those! Especially the very LENGTHY Te-SLI description.

    Except I was so sad to read that Te-SLIs are very rare?? :frown: I guess that would explain my difficulty finding them...

    Also I related to both IEE subtype descriptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I don't think it's that simple. Generally speaking extrovert-subtype introverts and vice-versa have some difficulties telling their type apart from their mirror type -- it's always easiest to identify your mirror pair. I had a lot of trouble figuring out whether I was EIE or IEI, for example; but I'm pretty sure I'm EIE.
    It simply isn't the case that an individual's "dual pair" is always the easiest for them to identify.

    I suppose there may be some merit in using subtype descriptions as a means to help you decide which type best fits you in such a way, but I don't believe it is particularly helpful for it to be your first port of call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I don't think it's that simple. Generally speaking extrovert-subtype introverts and vice-versa have some difficulties telling their type apart from their mirror type -- it's always easiest to identify your mirror pair. I had a lot of trouble figuring out whether I was EIE or IEI, for example; but I'm pretty sure I'm EIE.
    Actually this is true for me as well.
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