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    There is a thing about the word "We" and the way people use it which is no less than fascinating. That world is to me the ultimate word of projection, that is to say the projection of our worldview onto others. The world "We" is according to socionics a world of the Super-Ego, it's a word of the Mental Ring. Of course, using it doesn't always point to information stemming from the Mental Ring, for instance on can use it formally as a subject according to rules of grammar, or using the royal "We" etc.. Nonetheless, more often than not when we use the word "we" in the absolute, we are referring to the "socion" i.e. society itself.

    "We" as a group of humans in a given society or group are surely somewhat the same (of course that's a Mental Ring biased assumption). This idea is one of the most fundamental idea at the core of socionics. It's an Idea that I would qualify as of anthropological magnitude. This simple idea that we project our worldview onto everybody (we all strive for the same things, we all obey to a certain unwritten laws that we dare not transgress in public etc...) is a factor that if not taking into account can falsify the nature of truth and the reality of the human experience.

    Here is an example ; in the scientific community the word 'we" is often used when they talk about the brain and the human condition.


    However, if you listen to scientifics of different sociotypes they will describe the same phenomena occurring within our brain differently, they will even give you different reasons and interpretations but using the same "we" and therefore allude to a certain universality, something common to every human being. This bias in the scientific community is particularly visible in theoretical fields and soft sciences (like psychology !). Incidentally, these domains are constantly improved, some ideas get obsolete others come back to life and some are invented in the light of new discoveries.

    Indeed, it is a basic truth of the human condition, that when we have reached the confine of our perception of the world without reaching a satisfying understanding of it, imagination takes over and tries to give coherence and satisfying understanding of things, and so the Gods were born, and so one day we were at the center of universe and another day we were in the middle of nowhere at the mercy of forces even the Gods couldn't fathom...

    And so in another order of ideas, one can ask why is it that Psychoanalysis with all its flaws still practiced even today as if it was flawless ? One might believe that where there is a village, there is a Church. People believe in it (whatever "it" is), some believe in its curative power while others believe no less in its lucrative power...

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    Hemingway is typed SLE mostly, and yes he does use metaphor, but it is very real and raw and the intention is in the grist to draw the reader in. It is very sensory, living in the real moments, right now, and nothing is framed across time in NF speak. In my book.

    ESTp's are in the real moments of life, and they can be artistically talented like any other type. I don't buy depth = N.



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    one would think that the author of a book in which the main character Santiago spends eighty five days fishing alone in the wide sea would be an introvert but I guess not.
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Hemingway is typed SLE mostly, and yes he does use metaphor, but it is very real and raw and the intention is in the grist to draw the reader in. It is very sensory, living in the real moments, right now, and nothing is framed across time in NF speak. In my book.

    ESTp's are in the real moments of life, and they can be artistically talented like any other type. I don't buy depth = N.
    Fun fact: Even though Hemingway never wrote the microfiction "For sales. Baby shoes. Never worn."... it actually is a condensed summary of a real short story he wrote, titled "Hills Like White Elephants".

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    I haven't really read Ernest Hemingway but how he keeps repeating things is interesting because I've noticed I do it as well. Don't know what to make of it.

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    I think typology will never succeed because the damage is already done. Science people are NT, Conservatives are ST, there's just too many stereotypes in the minds of people you just won't get rid of them and they are likely all inaccurate bs
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Hemingway is typed SLE mostly, and yes he does use metaphor, but it is very real and raw and the intention is in the grist to draw the reader in. It is very sensory, living in the real moments, right now, and nothing is framed across time in NF speak. In my book.

    ESTp's are in the real moments of life, and they can be artistically talented like any other type. I don't buy depth = N.
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    Make you break down
    Shatter your illusions of love?
    And is it over now, do you know how?
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    It is metaphor but in sensory frames, not intuition in abstractions, like Roger Waters, or John Lennon, for example, where ideas of a thing flourish.

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    Need some examples of LSE-H

    https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.c...criptions.html

    I like the description/vibes quite a bit

    No wonder I have been drawn to SLIs too lol given this

    can def feel the lack of certain aspects of compatibility with Normalizing types doesn’t matter if they are in my quadra but again one aspect is not necessarily going to break a relationship

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    “So the Sexual Instinct becomes run by a fear of being undesirable, not just in terms of appearance, but being un-”fusible,” unchosen, and repulsive. ”


    wow so what I have been saying for an entire half od my life even before I encountered the enneagram, ok
    it was never about appearance, even though people interpret as such
    and it was not about "so and so love you platonically though" either
    because that was not what I was seeking

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    BF loves to write out all my imagery I spew out for me:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...8dfa1eae76e33&

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    Energy of a dreamy floaty innocent deep girl that can't put into words


    Floating over to me, me and you are sitting on this thing in the sky, and it's moving


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    A had an anniversary not long ago here at 16T, and what was my impression, a year ago?

    Well, i came here assuredly as an ESTP, thinking super ego enhanced, moving into being an intuitive in ILE form, in a short while. There was a female ILE that helped along the way with similar Si problems in staking vectors for true north in type. You can get lost in walking in the types with little data on hand, par for the course with low sensing.

    When i was getting intuitive takes on my type, i was thinking EIE as more possible over ILE, more from my poetic flare. Riven stated that yeah, but you don't feel it. Then it shifted to where she said maybe, you just might be ethical.

    Sol gave 3 options: EIE,ILE, IEE. nifl thought flower power in language = N. Coruleum Blue typed me ILE in passing, i recall.

    I think IEE is solid for me. I can't see it another way.



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    Se egos may be trying too hard to make impressions to the point of opressing actual thoughts. i think u can see it as children, and as adulst they may have some kind of complicated reasoning behind the masks that makes them appear as if what they express is important or meaningful but they are just hiding their unreasoned thoughts and acting entitled superficially which makes them appear as if what they express is sensible. this often seems to lead into formation of gangs too > thinking thier own gang/group/tribe is better and more deserving than the others + bad intuition relating to thoughts about how everyone can function together, they tend to believe its a dog eat dog world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    I think IEE is solid for me. I can't see it another way.
    yep, seems the most likely. S, T and J types talk in a clearer way, and you seem closer to Fi in your accent on agreeableness in interactions.

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    One of the things I've noticed about many SLEs is that they want to become rich. They talk about becoming rich, they work hard, but they rarely become rich, although there are some exceptions.

    If Te is all about making money (and Myers-Briggs surveys will tell you that LIEs and LSEs are the highest earners), what is it about SLEs that attracts them to the idea of being rich?

    I've often said that, as an LIE, my own 1D Fi prevents me from forming normal value assessments of people and objects. I can't determine how much I intrinsically value an item, or a person, so instead, I use their monetary values as a measure of worth. I substitute a dollar value for an ethical value, because that's all I've got to work with.

    SLEs also have 4D Te and 1D Fi. But these functions are unvalued, and so they tend to be abandoned in the face of a brighter pebble.

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    In physics, there exists a known quantity called the curse of dimensionality which states that higher dimensions are not necessarily more perfect.

    This gives a fresh perspective on the 4D thinkers of LII and LIE
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    I wanted to reply to a post from @godslave from a couple of days ago but I couldn't find it and I'm not going to bother to search for it again. It's interesting that we both agree that the 16 types aren't "personality types". I guess I convinced him in that point. I would be interested in knowing if Carl Jung ever even mentioned the term "personality", but I can't be bothered to read Psychological Types again. I guess I could search for the word online. It's easy to look at woke leftists and draw the conclusion "well, they are obviously humanists and empaths so I guess all NF types must be like this" but in reality that's likely just a subgroup of types. It's generally a problem of typology that you look at limited observations (which can be true!) and then you extrapolate them onto the whole population of 8 billion people without observing each and one of them so then your observation becomes false. I work in a company with 300k employees and while I haven't met every single one, I definitely see people of a certain type occupying roles that do not "fit" them according to typology theory. I have seen countless of IEI entrepreneurs who supposidely can't be that due to "Te" PolR and every person of that type must be an impractical dreamer and I think this sort of perspective does more harm than good. people generally get away with a lot of wishy washy definitions and I wish people would pressure socionists more in terms of how they define types and functions and if that makes logical sense and they can back their perspective with some form of proof or argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikite iru View Post
    I wanted to reply to a post from @godslave from a couple of days ago but I couldn't find it and I'm not going to bother to search for it again. It's interesting that we both agree that the 16 types aren't "personality types". I guess I convinced him in that point.
    Thank you for your time ! I think this might be the post you are referring to.

    I've always took for granted that Types and "personality" were two different phenomenon even if they are intertwined. Jung himself talked about that in his work (see this excellent post for more details). That said, I felt the need to remind it because I've seen that amalgam several times here and elsewhere. There is also this trend going on where typology aficionados stack different typologies together in order to better define the "personality" of individuals. The formula would be "TIM + Psychosophy type + Enneagram type = Personality", of course things are not that easy and don't get me start on all the overlaps induced by such stackings giving the nature of the territory covered by each typology.

    I would be interested in knowing if Carl Jung ever even mentioned the term "personality", but I can't be bothered to read Psychological Types again. I guess I could search for the word online.
    Of course he did. However, Jung acknowledged that Psychological Types don't encompasses the whole personality (even more so towards the end of his life). As a reminder Jung's PT can be thought as a further differentiations of Temperaments (which in fact are no more than natural phenomenon) done in a way that perfectly fit within the Jungian paradigm i.e. Jungian Psychology.

    That said, the idea that socionics and Jung's Psychological Types are compatible is an illusion. Socionics is partly inspired by Jung's PT and the rest is basically AI (I mean Info metabolism and Cybernetics...), it doesn't fit within the Jungian Paradigm imho.

    It's easy to look at woke leftists and draw the conclusion "well, they are obviously humanists and empaths so I guess all NF types must be like this" but in reality that's likely just a subgroup of types. It's generally a problem of typology that you look at limited observations (which can be true!) and then you extrapolate them onto the whole population of 8 billion people without observing each and one of them so then your observation becomes false. I work in a company with 300k employees and while I haven't met every single one, I definitely see people of a certain type occupying roles that do not "fit" them according to typology theory. I have seen countless of IEI entrepreneurs who supposedly can't be that due to "Te" PolR and every person of that type must be an impractical dreamer and I think this sort of perspective does more harm than good. people generally get away with a lot of wishy washy definitions and I wish people would pressure socionists more in terms of how they define types and functions and if that makes logical sense and they can back their perspective with some form of proof or argument.
    I mean it's easy to observe even within socionics that TIM can be completely different in terms of personality and behavior. I mean we have type EIE for instance, do I need to demonstrate in how many shades that TIM can manifest. If you tell a group of people who don't know about socionics that Charlie Chaplin, Shakespeare, Goethe, Nero and Louis XIV (let's keep it classic shall we !) have the same "Personality", they wouldn't believe you.

    Subtypes are meh, they are a departure from the socionics core and an attempt to match TIM/Sociotypes with "Personalities". An endeavor that is doomed to failure imho. That said, when I play a video game I don't rewrite the code because I find it unrealistic, as long as they are fun to play then I'm good if you know what I mean...
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    @godslave: hmm I'm not sure. I think there was another post that contained the word personality or I'm imagining stuff. I barely care about different typology combinations anymore as people can barely describe what Fe (or any other theoretical concept) really is and I've seen Fe types being flamboyant drag queens but also stone cold stoics so internally I'm questioning what that function (or the others) really is. I'm not a Jungian, I only remember Jung not really being happy with typologies like MBTI. I have always seen socionics as something unrelated to Jung. I don't care too much about the subtypes or Models. It's interesting to try them out. I don't know. I go through life and see that there's people who are universally liked or disliked depending on the traits they have, and then there are people for whom it is the most natural thing in the world to chose one partner for the rest of their life, and others are constantly sleeping around, and I ask myself "what does all of that have to do with types or ITR"? I constantly think about what type, personality, traits are and how blurry the line is and to what extend we can influence it. I think most people actually describe traits when they are talking about the types
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikite iru View Post
    @godslave: hmm I'm not sure. I think there was another post that contained the word personality or I'm imagining stuff. I barely care about different typology combinations anymore as people can barely describe what Fe (or any other theoretical concept) really is and I've seen Fe types being flamboyant drag queens but also stone cold stoics so internally I'm questioning what that function (or the others) really is. I'm not a Jungian, I only remember Jung not really being happy with typologies like MBTI. I have always seen socionics as something unrelated to Jung. I don't care too much about the subtypes or Models. It's interesting to try them out. I don't know. I go through life and see that there's people who are universally liked or disliked depending on the traits they have, and then there are people for whom it is the most natural thing in the world to chose one partner for the rest of their life, and others are constantly sleeping around, and I ask myself "what does all of that have to do with types or ITR"? I constantly think about what type, personality, traits are and how blurry the line is and to what extend we can influence it. I think most people actually describe traits when they are talking about the types
    Personally I'm not a "Jungian" either even if his work is fascinating, the man was really brilliant and I prefer him to Freud. That said, to me Freud's work and by extension Jung's work are imho ought to be apprehended as philosophical movements in the light of modern Psychology and Neuroscience. Furthermore, some of Jung's stuff are really out there in terms of esotericism. By the way, Aushra's work is not devoid of "voodoo" either. I mean the lady had brilliant ideas but also some others that are so...unwise that it's hard to believe that they came from the same person.

    And yes, most people describe what they see of or in people and that's basically behavior in the very large sense of that term. At the end of the day, people instinctively know this basic truth of the Human condition : "Temperaments do exists". The rest is litterature.

    Socionics in fun if one is willing to play the game, be aware of its limits and consider the fact that it's a "work in progress".

    At least in Astrology you have an Horoscope and an Astral chart i.e. a destiny ! easy peasy !

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    Personally I'm not a "Jungian" either even if his work is fascinating, the man was really brilliant and I prefer him to Freud. That said, to me Freud's work and by extension Jung's work are imho ought to be apprehended as philosophical movements in the light of modern Psychology and Neuroscience. Furthermore, some of Jung's stuff are really out there in terms of esotericism. By the way, Aushra's work is not devoid of "voodoo" either. I mean the lady had brilliant ideas but also some others that are so...unwise that it's hard to believe that they came from the same person.

    And yes, most people describe what they see of or in people and that's basically behavior in the very large sense of that term. At the end of the day, people instinctively know this basic truth of the Human condition : "Temperaments do exists". The rest is litterature.

    Socionics in fun if one is willing to play the game, be aware of its limits and consider the fact that it's a "work in progress".

    At least in Astrology you have an Horoscope and an Astral chart i.e. a destiny ! easy peasy !
    Yeah I always saw Jung and Freud as philosophers too. I think Freud even started "Interpretations of Dreams" with the comment: "such insights only come to you once or twice in your life" or something like that. Regardless of their output, it is clear that both of them were deep thinkers that heavily relied on their imagination, while typology is just a flawed systematic approach at those insights. I think they should be treated like that too, inviting to reflections instead of forcing them into empirical systems for the sake of factual accuracy. They were never supposed to be like this imo. I noticed that we have a similar view. I don't like the idea of forcing typology onto civilization because it will destroy any room for these theoretical discussions and the questioning of the systems that really need to happen. I also liked the comment by @mu4 that love and romance are bourgeoisie concepts because in poorer nations it's not like you can choose your partner based on a variety of options. There's really no rush for socionics to be adopted. It only needs gradual improvements from time to time
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    I stumbled upon this lady (≃IEI not sure) who happens to identify with 649 (6 so/sx). I'm doubting my 694 re-self-typing (I thought 964 until I was diagnosed with severe anxiety disorder) since... my self re-self-typing. I don't vibe like her even if i "get" the spirit and I resonate with some of what she said. I like her vibe though.

    I really like it when people describe their own type because they project a lot of their own individuality onto the type. They get the chance to talk about themselves more freely under the cover of "type description" even if this phenomenon might be unconscious to a certain degree.

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    I have been seeing my LSE sister today because I wanted to give her money for mother's/father's day. She is an LSE in my opinion. We don't really have much to say to each other, but I don't remember ever having an argument with her (we don't have much to say to each other, though). She is very conservative, concrete, non-creative, direct. She has been married for 15 years. Her husband is also very conservative. They both sell cars, and I have never owned one. I think he is an IEI. He collects old-timers and regularily goes to events. I don't think they are getting along that well but even after 15 years they are still married, although they don't have children and he is 15 years older than my sister. I really think there is something to the idea that similar temperaments are more important than ITR. If you are someone who is very literal and realistic you might want to choose a partner who is similar. If you are someone that judges character you might want someone that has a good character. I think there are elements that are more important than ITR and duality might not be the most important thing in the world like socionics claims

    Of course people can think it's just another opinion but I have studied this topic for 10 years. It doesn't come from nowhere
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikite iru View Post
    I have been seeing my LSE sister today because I wanted to give her money for mother's/father's day. She is an LSE in my opinion. We don't really have much to say to each other, but I don't remember ever having an argument with her (we don't have much to say to each other, though). She is very conservative, concrete, non-creative, direct. She has been married for 15 years. Her husband is also very conservative. They both sell cars, and I have never owned one. I think he is an IEI. He collects old-timers and regularily goes to events. I don't think they are getting along that well but even after 15 years they are still married, although they don't have children and he is 15 years older than my sister. I really think there is something to the idea that similar temperaments are more important than ITR. If you are someone who is very literal and realistic you might want to choose a partner who is similar. If you are someone that judges character you might want someone that has a good character. I think there are elements that are more important than ITR and duality might not be the most important thing in the world like socionics claims

    Of course people can think it's just another opinion but I have studied this topic for 10 years. It doesn't come from nowhere
    How’s having 2 sensor sibs

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    How’s having 2 sensor sibs
    Hmm not that special I guess. My LSE sister is 15 years older and has pretty much spend her whole life working. I barely see her. Pretty much always involved in some work related stuff that involves cars. I don't really have much in common with her and she lives 700km away. My ESI sister is extremly conservative but at least focused on people so quite pleasant to hang around from time to time. Sadly she believes stuff like climate change is a hoax. It's complicated. I get along better with my two brothers who are LII and IEI
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    It is the theory of Socionics, that defends the institute of marriage, in today's world, where many are trying to argue against it (That is among the secular theories).
    Socionics tells you that, marriage is a self-improvement project like no other, it gives you a chance to learn and gain knowledge on your lower-dimensional functions (the super-id and maybe even super-ego indirectly through super-id). This is especially significant for those of us who grew without dual parents. It is a chance all over again to get later in life what you never got in childhood. When partners learn to listen to each other, and respect each others' different viewpoints, it can be really healthy.
    In a way, socionics is humbling in that it teaches us our limits as humans and our need for one another (which is a really good and positive thing).

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    two somewhat humorous videos on the different IEI ideologies that can exist I guess. would be interesting to make a list out of all of them. I know that Ni likes to catalogue and create lists. there must be some person that mapped all these out.
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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