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    ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
    My brother quite literally does this. Not in a devoted sense, but he likes to wear summer clothes year round and gets a kick out of being able to endure the cold. I used to follow his lead in this respect, but being warm is a very nice feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    I wore shorts year-round until I gave them up to be more consistent with my wish that women wouldn't wear shorts. (I felt like a hypocrite drawing that distinction between men and women, even though no one else acted on it.) You won't catch me in shorts nowadays. Well... even someone that would catch me in the first place wouldn't catch me in shorts.

    Oddly, I now avoid cold more diligently than anyone around me, even going so far as to wear a coat everywhere.
    Wait, what??

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    I always wear pants but I don't wear pants or anything more then a dress shirt very often. I wear a jacket almost all the time though if I'm cold since I like the way jackets look and have quite a few. I own 0 winter clothing, my idea of winter clothing is a jacket.
    It occurs to me that none of you who claim to wear shorts in the winter, or have little in the way of winter clothing, have experienced real cold. The kind that freezes uncovered skin in minutes. You would literally die here.
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    Well, my brother would do it even in single digit weather (he would put on pants and wear a jacket if it broke the zero barrier) which, granted, is basically a Canadian summer day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    this can be dangerous if say, your transportation breaks down for some time. i value minimalism most of the time, but there are healthy limits. (i live in the north, too.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    this can be dangerous if say, your transportation breaks down for some time. i value minimalism most of the time, but there are healthy limits. (i live in the north, too.)
    That's what my dad would always say while my brother would smile and joke about all the ways he could think of to stay warm, like slaying deer with tire iron boomerangs and hopping inside while he waited for a tow to arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Wait, what??
    Avoiding lust is more difficult with women around wearing shorts. All those sexy legs... It doesn't help with keeping my thoughts pure. For a little while I tried to reward the women who wore long pants by looking at them while studiously avoiding those who wore shorts, on the grounds that they were looking for attention, but I quit on the grounds that the women wearing long pants might not like being stared at (which defeats my purpose). I still tend to avoid women in shorts.

    I understand now that many women wear shorts to keep cool in the summer, but that seems like a poor excuse...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Avoiding lust is more difficult with women around wearing shorts. All those sexy legs... It doesn't help with keeping my thoughts pure. For a little while I tried to reward the women who wore long pants by looking at them while studiously avoiding those who wore shorts, on the grounds that they were looking for attention, but I quit on the grounds that the women wearing long pants might not like being stared at (which defeats my purpose). I still tend to avoid women in shorts.

    I understand now that many women wear shorts to keep cool in the summer, but that seems like a poor excuse...
    I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.
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    I think there is some validity to the literal interpretation of the statement. I almost purposefully dress one level below what I should be wearing every day during the winter (e.g., wearing just a t-shirt when I should be wearing at least a jacket). For some reason, it's oddly satisfying, maybe because it gives me momentary control over my mobilizing function? Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic View Post
    I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic View Post
    I understand you're religious, but I can't help but rage when I read this.
    Could we discuss why? In my mind it's a question of dressing modestly vs. keeping cool, and there isn't much competition between those. What other variables do you see?

    Now, if you're mad about the staring at girls in long pants to reward them for wearing long pants, I'll agree that was ridiculous; not everything I've done in the past was good. Fortunately, I don't think anyone even noticed.



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    In a way I could kind of see arguments for either Se or Si motivations behind this, but I haven't really fleshed it out well enough in my head yet to go into detail. Perhaps I may return later. Perhaps I may forget entirely about the thread. Perhaps I might get run over tomorrow morning and be inactive on the forum for 6 months. But I doubt that'll happen. I'm too lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLauritson View Post
    But I doubt that'll happen. I'm too lucky.
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    This thread is making me laugh for unrelated, strongly ironic reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    This thread is making me laugh for unrelated, strongly ironic reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Let's all join the joy together then and say: LOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!
    Do you know what I'm referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
    Bullshit coming from Igor Weisband. Ignore it.

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    ^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?

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    ^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?
    As a matter of fact, yes. I wore shorts through autumn and sometimes even winter around age 7/8. I still take a long time to get accustomed to clothes and wear the clothes that I have grown into longer than most people consider appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    ^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?
    Not necessarily to this length. I do not train myself to wear shorts year round, since I happen to like pants. When it is cold and I am clearly freezing, I do not complain about it or make a big deal out of it. But this is what most would call "haven't got enough sense to come out of the rain" sort of behavior.
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    i do get hot rather easily and wear the same clothes year round.

    danielle, yeah i do think LIIs are ascetic, and get off on thinking they can withstand shit from the outside world or emotionally.

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    I walk around in my underwear with people telling me "put something on or you'll catch a cold" everyday. "Aren't you cold?" is something I've heard at least a thousand times. Sometimes my body heat is so hot it disturbs people sitting next to me like in a filled backseat of a car. And I only weigh 135lbs

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    You sure it wasn't the 135 lb guy in his underwear wedged between them?
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    I don't find myself doing this at all, although I am rather impervious to changes in temperature, never wearing a very heavy coat during the winter. I will layer up, though. This is actually somewhat of a recent development, as before I used to be extremely sensitive to temperature. Interesting how something like that can change.

    What I can't stand is being wet or the air feeling damn and humid. Yuck.
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    I think "training for the cold" is metaphorical, not literal.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    FWIW I used to wear shorts and forgo coats or jackets much of the year as well. (Now I wear work-appropriate pants more often, but I still forgo the rest often.) I saw it as a form of "rationing" on my own terms.
    FTR I wore a coat yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    ^ Yeah, probably. Although, like mun's brother I used to wear shorts almost year-round...maybe it is type-related? Do any other LIIs identify?
    I wore shorts year-round until I gave them up to be more consistent with my wish that women wouldn't wear shorts. (I felt like a hypocrite drawing that distinction between men and women, even though no one else acted on it.) You won't catch me in shorts nowadays. Well... even someone that would catch me in the first place wouldn't catch me in shorts.

    Oddly, I now avoid cold more diligently than anyone around me, even going so far as to wear a coat everywhere.



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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    ive read in intj descriptions about they "train themselves for the cold." this sounds kind of -ish to me... do intjs relate to this? what does the description mean by this?
    I relate to it, figuratively.

    It comes about from a mentality of scarcity. I believe that INTj's prepare to live with few resources (income, support from others) because they feel they don't have power over their environment.

    Saving, doing with less, and detachment are the most dependable defenses against unpredictable threats to seemingly fragile emotions and ego. After all, they only involve control of oneself.

    With weak Se and F, INTj's doubt their ability to influence others or the surroundings. Going 'Te' to manipulate a situation to one's benefit is seen as too risky and even distasteful (trying to cheat the natural laws gets back at you eventually).

    Interestingly, the INTj seems to share this trait, preparing oneself for the harshness of reality, with Se leading types. The difference is that the Se POLR type has an exaggerated fear and defensiveness towards outside 'bad things that might happen', even if those things have never happened to them.

    While Se types, to my impression, learn caution only through hard won experience. They are expanding and pushing the boundaries, until they eventually have to face elements they can't control.

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